Ward Boundaries Changed

[clackamascoug]

Our new ward from the Lord has been a total flop. Of the 4 families kicked out of the old ward two have already moved and we are planning on moving into a different ward where our kids will go to school with the kids from church.

As it stands with the current boundary that was changed 2 years ago us and the other family are now about 15 minutes from everyone else in the ward as outliers. So we are going to move and the retired couple will be the last family in the new boundary. Any attempt to talk to the SP about it has been met with "This wasn't my decision it was the Lord's".

I've got a good idea... you could move into my ward. We could golf all the time.

Here's a house for sale.

[Omaha 680]

The letter from our Stke Pres. said "to better serve our members." Truth is, ward attendance has tanked and it's getting embarrassing, so they are "spreading the members" by redrawing boundaries.

Are those mutally exclusive reasons?

Outside of Utah the church will never grow uniformly with the surrounding population. There will be variation in growth and migration patterns among the membership. So boundaries are redrawn to deal with that and hopefully make units more functional. Certainly there are some hare-brained ideas when it comes to actually drawing the boundaries, but the fact that it needs to be done from time to time shouldn't be surprising.

[DWhitmer]

Are those mutally exclusive reasons?

Outside of Utah the church will never grow uniformly with the surrounding population. There will be variation in growth and migration patterns among the membership. So boundaries are redrawn to deal with that and hopefully make units more functional. Certainly there are some hare-brained ideas when it comes to actually drawing the boundaries, but the fact that it needs to be done from time to time shouldn't be surprising.

We should expect growth as cities grow, new neighborhoods are built, etc. Our situation involves well established neighbordhoods. The diversity is good with young families and retirees.

People are leaving the church. Many 3rd generation members have called it quits. When a well respected family leaves, it sends shocks waves.

[SoonerCoug]

We should expect growth as cities grow, new neighborhoods are built, etc. Our situation involves well established neighbordhoods. The diversity is good with young families and retirees.

People are leaving the church. Many 3rd generation members have called it quits. When a well respected family leaves, it sends shocks waves.

Would you mind restating your views about the Church? If I remember correctly, you believe in the BOM but not the Church, right?

If I got that right, then please explain to me why you believe in the BOM.

[DWhitmer]

Would you mind restating your views about the Church? If I remember correctly, you believe in the BOM but not the Church, right?

If I got that right, then please explain to me why you believe in the BOM.

We just could not go against the Holy Book of Mormon and baptize our children for the remission of sins at the age of eight. (Moroni 8:9)

[SoonerCoug]

We just could not go against the Holy Book of Mormon and baptize our children for the remission of sins at the age of eight. (Moroni 8:9)

What the hell are you talking about?

[Uncle Ted]

Would you mind restating your views about the Church? If I remember correctly, you believe in the BOM but not the Church, right?

If I got that right, then please explain to me why you believe in the BOM.

DWhitmer (as in David Whitmer) should have been a clue. So, DWhitmer, are you a Whitmerite?

[DWhitmer]

What the hell are you talking about?

We agree with the Bible and Holy Book of Mormon that you cannot mandate an age when a person must be baptized and we don't believe 8 year olds become full of sin just for turning 8.

...are you a Whitmerite?

There is no Whitmerite church. I do admire David though.

[wuapinmon]

We agree with the Bible and Holy Book of Mormon that you cannot mandate an age when a person must be baptized and we don't believe 8 year olds become full of sin just for turning 8.

Neither do Mormons. Accountability begins at 8. It's not like you're quickened in sin like some Highlander film at age 8. Even kids learn line upon line.

[DWhitmer]

Neither do Mormons. Accountability begins at 8. It's not like you're quickened in sin like some Highlander film at age 8. Even kids learn line upon line.

What does accountability have to do with the need to be baptized for sin.

[wuapinmon]

What does accountability have to do with the need to be baptized for sin.

If you are accountable, then you recognize sin and can make covenants to follow Christ and turn away from it through his example. A child of 8 is not responsible for a sin like murder if someone pushes them into it. They cannot possibly understand the ramifications of what they've done. But, an 8 y/o understands why it's bad to lie and blame her little brother for something she did.

Sin, no matter how minor, requires expiation>>>>>baptism for the remission of sins and renewal of the baptismal covenant teach us that God loves us, wants us to be mindful of our actions and their impact on others, and is there to show us how we can be forgiven for those deeds that we do wrong and that we recognize as wrong.

[DWhitmer]

If you are accountable, then you recognize sin and can make covenants to follow Christ and turn away from it through his example. A child of 8 is not responsible for a sin like murder if someone pushes them into it. They cannot possibly understand the ramifications of what they've done. But, an 8 y/o understands why it's bad to lie and blame her little brother for something she did.

Sin, no matter how minor, requires expiation>>>>>baptism for the remission of sins and renewal of the baptismal covenant teach us that God loves us, wants us to be mindful of our actions and their impact on others, and is there to show us how we can be forgiven for those deeds that we do wrong and that we recognize as wrong.

I understand the need to educate, but again, what does any of that have to do with mandating an age to repent??

[Indy Coug]

I understand the need to educate, but again, what does any of that have to do with mandating an age to repent??

God picked a number and we're going with it.

[wuapinmon]

I understand the need to educate, but again, what does any of that have to do with mandating an age to repent??

What would you propose otherwise? It's a standard, not a mandate. Nothing is going to happen to someone if they want to wait or the child wants to wait. There is no penalty.

[SoonerCoug]

We agree with the Bible and Holy Book of Mormon that you cannot mandate an age when a person must be baptized and we don't believe 8 year olds become full of sin just for turning 8.

Do you believe that Nephi was a real person? Just curious.