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    Ward Boundaries Changed

    The letter from our Stke Pres. said "to better serve our members." Truth is, ward attendance has tanked and it's getting embarrassing, so they are "spreading the members" by redrawing boundaries.

    Has anyone else experienced this of late?
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    Our stake just did a massive change. They took away one whole ward completley off the map. I like it becasue I now get to go to a chapel that is close. 5 min vs 15 min drive.
    ( FYI I most likely wrote that incoherently and will be properly corrected forthwith. Thanks)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Y84it View Post
      Our stake just did a massive change. They took away one whole ward completley off the map. I like it becasue I now get to go to a chapel that is close. 5 min vs 15 min drive.
      When I lived in Pennsylvania, they split the one biggish ward into two small wards in order to keep a stake from dissolving back into a mission district. They also called some members from the two wards to attend church in the outlying branches in order to provide leadership and to boost attendance.
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      • #4
        They did this to our ward about a year ago - added about 30 families to our ward.

        We had the smallest ward in the stake and we took some people from the largest.

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        • #5
          In the 90s in California, there was a decent amount of ward consolidation going around, but it was mainly due to Mormons moving out because the economy was better in Utah than in CA. I have never lived in an area that shrinking membership due to apostasy, lack of interest, decreasing religiosity, etc. Since we have lived here, our stake has split and my ward has split twice, so it is not happening here.

          DWhitmer, from your other posts, I did not think you were active LDS. Maybe I didn't read your stuff closely enough?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
            In the 90s in California, there was a decent amount of ward consolidation going around, but it was mainly due to Mormons moving out because the economy was better in Utah than in CA. I have never lived in an area that shrinking membership due to apostasy, lack of interest, decreasing religiosity, etc. Since we have lived here, our stake has split and my ward has split twice, so it is not happening here.

            DWhitmer, from your other posts, I did not think you were active LDS. Maybe I didn't read your stuff closely enough?
            The membership in PA was shrinking as the population of Central PA disappeared (and continues to). It wasn't due to widespread apostasy or anything like that.
            "More crazy people to Provo go than to any other town in the state."
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Solon View Post
              When I lived in Pennsylvania, they split the one biggish ward into two small wards in order to keep a stake from dissolving back into a mission district. They also called some members from the two wards to attend church in the outlying branches in order to provide leadership and to boost attendance.
              This happened in Montreal when I was there. Ward boundary lines were stragetically drawn to make sure experienced leadership was in the newly formed branches. I think the SP was obsessed with growth. It didn't work out well for the smaller units. A couple of years later two of the branches folded back into a ward.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Solon View Post
                The membership in PA was shrinking as the population of Central PA disappeared (and continues to). It wasn't due to widespread apostasy or anything like that.
                For the past 3-5 years, there's been a mass exodus of members where I was in Eastern PA moving to places elsewhere.
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                • #9
                  Our stake just went through a boundary change. But we added two new wards. The last set of boundaries was bonkers and the new ones make a a lot more sense.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Y84it View Post
                    Our stake just did a massive change. They took away one whole ward completley off the map. I like it becasue I now get to go to a chapel that is close. 5 min vs 15 min drive.
                    What chapel do you go to now? Peace Way? Where we're you before?
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                    • #11
                      On the westside of Phoenix there have been a lot of changes, mostly due to white flight to the outer burbs. But for context, the stake I lived in in High School now incorporates the territory of 2.5 stakes when I lived there (we absorbed all of one stake, then absorbed 1/2 of another stake). It's getting pretty gnarly, and it is only going to get worse (people are moving from the area ASAP). I'm willing to bet that a few ward buildings are sold in the next five years or so.
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                      • #12
                        My stake under a new SP just got done redrawing ward boundaries to something that makes a little more sense. Historically, my stake would use elementary school boundaries for ward boundaries as best they could. For instance, these two schools would be Ward I. Ward II would be three different schools. Ward III is big enough to be just in one elementary school. That way, almost all developments were kept in the same ward and the kids went to the same elementary schools and Jr HS.

                        [rant mode on]
                        Then a new SP made some boneheaded boundary changes. My kids' elementary school was split between three wards. My wife's elderly parents who lived a half block away and whom we were helping take care of were placed in a different ward meeting in a different building. Interesting that my SP's ward was not affected by such boundary changes as his elementary school was not split and his married children coincidently all ended up together in his home ward. With a new SP, the boundaries were changed to something that was rational.

                        The problem my area is having is that the new buildings are being built in rural areas that just became a ward instead of in the higher density city were the vast majority of members live. So another ward is "assigned" to drive 30-40 minutes to the new building out in the sticks instead of driving 5-10 minutes to the "old" chapel that already has 3-4 wards meeting in it. And then members not living in the branch ward are given callings in that new ward and asked to attend it to "boost it up". At issue is those members living in the sticks are not making the 30-40 minute drive to attend church. So they are rewarded with a brand new chapel and a 9:00-12:00 meeting block. Another ward is punished by having to drive 30-40 minutes to attend church and the church breaks its own rules by assigning select familes to attend chuch outside of the drawn boundaries. Why not just build a new building where members actually live? Answer: cost. It's cheaper to build out in the sticks. If I have to travel 40 minutes to the newest building in the stake once its completed, I'm not going.
                        [rant mode off]

                        Edit: Now that I've got that off my chest; there may also be zoning considerations. A city has an interest in zoning retail and residential for tax purposes. A church doesn't make any money for a city. And it's probably harder in the bible belt to get zoning approved for another LDS church after a city already has 2-3.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Clark Addison View Post
                          DWhitmer, from your other posts, I did not think you were active LDS. Maybe I didn't read your stuff closely enough?
                          Had name removed some time ago but have friends and family still under the curse, no offense.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DWhitmer View Post
                            Had name removed some time ago but have friends and family still under the curse, no offense.
                            Why would he get offended at that? I know I personally welcome my beliefs being called a blight to society.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by falafel View Post
                              What chapel do you go to now? Peace Way? Where we're you before?
                              Peace Way. We are now on Desert Inn....You goinig to tell me who you are or what?
                              ( FYI I most likely wrote that incoherently and will be properly corrected forthwith. Thanks)

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