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[pellegrino]

The latest one: Grant Palmer. I don't know why so many people are acting like this is new info. All this is in No Man Knows My History, and has been repeated in various other books, articles and web sites. It was kind of weird how Dehlin kept reacting to Palmer "wow" like this is new research. Maybe that's just Dehlin's style.

because most Mormons were only introduced to JS polygamy through Rough Stone Rolling and Bushman glosses over all of that. Very few get to read No Man Knows My History. Rough Stone gives them enough to chew on and as good as Broadie's work was, it still was the grounds for her excommunication and as a result is tainted for the majority of faithful Mormons, even if they are interested in exploring.

[Moliere]

The latest one: Grant Palmer. I don't know why so many people are acting like this is new info. All this is in No Man Knows My History, and has been repeated in various other books, articles and web sites. It was kind of weird how Dehlin kept reacting to Palmer "wow" like this is new research. Maybe that's just Dehlin's style.

It's new to me so I'm interested. My only problem is that I'm 35 minutes into the podcast not a useful thing has been said. The first 10 minutes was Dehlin trying to explain why he's doing an interview that would put JS in a bad light, followed by 10 minutes of explaining what MoSto is all about, followed by 15 minutes of Dehlin and Palmer telling us over and over again that they just want to lay down the facts and how Palmer is going to lay down the facts.

The opening to this podcast is very unMoStoesque and makes me wonder if Dehlin is worried about offending some of those in his downline. Enough with the apologies and talking down to the audience, get the interview going already!

[jay santos]

It's new to me so I'm interested. My only problem is that I'm 35 minutes into the podcast not a useful thing has been said. The first 10 minutes was Dehlin trying to explain why he's doing an interview that would put JS in a bad light, followed by 10 minutes of explaining what MoSto is all about, followed by 15 minutes of Dehlin and Palmer telling us over and over again that they just want to lay down the facts and how Palmer is going to lay down the facts.

The opening to this podcast is very unMoStoesque and makes me wonder if Dehlin is worried about offending some of those in his downline. Enough with the apologies and talking down to the audience, get the interview going already!

I'm not being critical of regular Joe's who say this info is new to them. I'm learning new stuff all the time, and I've been studying this stuff pretty intensively for ten years or so.

But people like Dehlin and other critics that have been doing this a while seem to be acting like this is new, fresh info.

[DrumNFeather]

I'm not being critical of regular Joe's who say this info is new to them. I'm learning new stuff all the time, and I've been studying this stuff pretty intensively for ten years or so.

But people like Dehlin and other critics that have been doing this a while seem to be acting like this is new, fresh info.

Well, Dehlin still has to give the appearence that he is trying to "help" people and to that end, he probably needs to act surprised so he can go back to his community and say "I was just as stunned as you were."

[jay santos]

It's new to me so I'm interested. My only problem is that I'm 35 minutes into the podcast not a useful thing has been said. The first 10 minutes was Dehlin trying to explain why he's doing an interview that would put JS in a bad light, followed by 10 minutes of explaining what MoSto is all about, followed by 15 minutes of Dehlin and Palmer telling us over and over again that they just want to lay down the facts and how Palmer is going to lay down the facts.

The opening to this podcast is very unMoStoesque and makes me wonder if Dehlin is worried about offending some of those in his downline. Enough with the apologies and talking down to the audience, get the interview going already!

This is a critique I have of MoSto also. Three hour podcast for a three page article?

The second hour is where the meat is.

[CardiacCoug]

I read Grant Palmer's book when it came out in 2003 and there really wasn't anything new in it although I thought it was well-written.

Interesting that they disfellowshipped him at the time the book came out -- and then apparently the Church was planning to excommunicate him in 2010 when he preempted that by resigning.

[creekster]

because most Mormons were only introduced to JS polygamy through Rough Stone Rolling and Bushman glosses over all of that. Very few get to read No Man Knows My History. Rough Stone gives them enough to chew on and as good as Broadie's work was, it still was the grounds for her excommunication and as a result is tainted for the majority of faithful Mormons, even if they are interested in exploring.

I read Brodie's book the first time when I was about 16 or 17 and living in the heart of orthodox Mormon country (midvale Utah) and had no sense that it was an edgy thing to do. I don't even recall how I came to have the book available. I am not saying you are wrong, but it is not universally true.

[Flystripper]

I'm not being critical of regular Joe's who say this info is new to them. I'm learning new stuff all the time, and I've been studying this stuff pretty intensively for ten years or so.

But people like Dehlin and other critics that have been doing this a while seem to be acting like this is new, fresh info.

He probably realizes that it will be new to some of his podcast listeners. I think his excitement over this information isn't so much that it is new, but rather it is much like a teacher getting excited about the curriculum every semester even though they have taught the course 100 times.

[jay santos]

I read Brodie's book the first time when I was about 16 or 17 and living in the heart of orthodox Mormon country (midvale Utah) and had no sense that it was an edgy thing to do. I don't even recall how I came to have the book available. I am not saying you are wrong, but it is not universally true.

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[creekster]

:bsflag:

You think I am lying? Suit yourself.

[jay santos]

You think I am lying? Suit yourself.

I wouldn't use the word lying. But I do believe what you said is BS.

I do not believe a 17 yo kid growing up in Utah could read No Man Knows My History without understanding that it was edgy.

[creekster]

I wouldn't use the word lying. But I do believe what you said is BS.

I do not believe a 17 yo kid growing up in Utah could read No Man Knows My History without understanding that it was edgy.

Funny, I always htought BS was pretty much the same as lying.

It doesnt really matter to this thread, of course, but I didnt come from a typical mormon family. I wont bore you with the details, but lets just say there woldnt be any stories from my younger life in the ensign. At the time, I didnt really appreciate how out there it was considered to be.

[TripletDaddy]

Funny, I always htought BS was pretty much the same as lying.

It doesnt really matter to this thread, of course, but I didnt come from a typical mormon family. I wont bore you with the details, but lets just say there woldnt be any stories from my younger life in the ensign. At the time, I didnt really appreciate how out there it was considered to be.

[DrumNFeather]

He probably realizes that it will be new to some of his podcast listeners. I think his excitement over this information isn't so much that it is new, but rather it is much like a teacher getting excited about the curriculum every semester even though they have taught the course 100 times.

Do you think he feels like he needs edgier topics to keep some of his audience?

[NorthwestUteFan]

Do you think he feels like he needs edgier topics to keep some of his audience?

The edgier audience will go listen to John Larsen's podcasts at Mormon Expression.