The official 181st Annual GC Thread

[All-American]

No, it was definitely just women who prioritize a career over motherhood.

But I'm pretty sure Dr. Russell Nelson worked 80+ hour weeks from his 20s into his 50s and nobody ever accused him of prioritizing career over fatherhood.

I would be astounded if that were true.

Not that I claim to be an expert on the topic of the family life of Elder Nelson, of course.

[Maximus]

as I heard it he ripped not only women with careers but women who desired careers over motherhood.

people hear what they want to hear.

[smokymountainrain]

Yep, and women with careers.

Was it Cook who essentially said the opposite? Something to the effect of how we shouldn't judge women who choose to work outside the home? IIRC, it was more positive toward women with careers than I worded it.

But since Oaks is the senior...sorry, QLC.

Down with women who choose careers!

[LiveCoug]

Was it Cook who essentially said the opposite? Something to the effect of how we shouldn't judge women who choose to work outside the home? IIRC, it was more positive toward women with careers than I worded it.

But since Oaks is the senior...sorry, QLC.

Down with women who choose careers!

Yes... It was Cook.

Haven't heard the Oaks talk yet, so I don't know what his context is.

[smokymountainrain]

Yes... It was Cook.

Haven't heard the Oaks talk yet, so I don't know what his context is.

I didn't hear the Oaks talk either, so it surprised me to come to CUF and see this stuff.

[CardiacCoug]

I would be astounded if that were true.

Not that I claim to be an expert on the topic of the family life of Elder Nelson, of course.

I work with a lot of guys that worked with him and maybe they are exaggerating about how hard they worked at the time.

Surgeons of his era generally worked ridiculous hours -- I'm making an assumption that he did too. I know for sure that Dr. Nelson even did his own angiograms, something the cardiac surgeons now have cardiologists do for them.

If you say he didn't work that much, then you're obviously right and I'm wrong.

[hello]

people hear what they want to hear.

I agree. I didn't take it bad at all but will admit I wasn't totally paying attention after everyone laughed. I was thinking about how I liked that after reading the young lady's letter kind of ripping the men, he turned it around a bit. I basically got the impression that he was telling us to worry about ourselves and watch what we do and make sure our desires are prioritized correctly.

[LiveCoug]

Just heard the Oaks talk. Much ado about nothing.

[FMCoug]

Just heard the Oaks talk. Much ado about nothing.

Am I the only who watches conference these days with my antennae up for "the talk"? You know, the one that will have CUF ablaze for days one end.

Mothers Who Know. Etc.

[MarkGrace]

I walked in and Packer was talking about how we need to refer to ourselves as "Latter-Day Saints" and not "mormons". I thought they gave up on that crap back when they started mormon.org, but I guess not.

Someone needs to send him the Rob Morris video.

[CardiacCoug]

http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6997

Elder Nelson:

I gained appreciation for this miracle early in my research career when I was working in the laboratory to create an artificial heart-lung machine. Whenever tubing in that machine would spring a leak, it meant long hours cleaning up the lab, and I came home late for dinner.

However much he worked, I'm pretty sure it would qualify as "prioritizing career over family" if he were a woman.

[fusnik]

Just heard the Oaks talk. Much ado about nothing.

Oaks used the mormon word in reference to people.

BKP forbids it.

Wonder if they had words after.

[creekster]

http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6997

Elder Nelson:



However much he worked, I'm pretty sure it would qualify as "prioritizing career over family" if he were a woman.

Yes, probably true. I think the church is rather unapologetic about gender differences in the division of labor.

[Clark Addison]

I work with a lot of guys that worked with him and maybe they are exaggerating about how hard they worked at the time.

Surgeons of his era generally worked ridiculous hours -- I'm making an assumption that he did too. I know for sure that Dr. Nelson even did his own angiograms, something the cardiac surgeons now have cardiologists do for them.

If you say he didn't work that much, then you're obviously right and I'm wrong.

Thanks to GC, I now know there is a difference between a Cardiologist and a Cardiac Surgeon.

[All-American]

http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6997

Elder Nelson:



However much he worked, I'm pretty sure it would qualify as "prioritizing career over family" if he were a woman.

Oh, I'm sure you'd know better than me. I'll say, though, that notwithstanding the number of hours, you'll not likely ever find a family member who ever felt like he prioritized his career over his family. And I bet you couldn't say the same for many men who worked far fewer hours.