The official 181st Annual GC Thread

[creekster]

Stegner quoted in GC. If only SU was watching now.

[LA Ute]

That's what it seems like to me. But then I have been slammed for saying that.

I think it is undeniable.

[creekster]

Stegner quoted in GC. If only SU was watching now.

And now women are the most satisfied with their roles in church leadership compared to other religions. WHere's Rosebud?

[FMCoug]

And now women are the most satisfied with their roles in church leadership compared to other religions. WHere's Rosebud?

I had the exact same thought. CUF is in our subconscious apparently.

[FMCoug]

We likely don't change as quickly as we should. I wonder if we are the way we are because of past he'll-fire talks. It's clear the themes and delivery are more reduced nowadays.

That may be part of it. But it seems to me that somehow the message doesn't filter down. Think how different the church would be if Sacrament meeting talks, lessons, etc. were all as Christ-focused as GC. This is up to Bishops and SP's in my mind.

[creekster]

I think it is undeniable.

I think you are correct to a degree but I also think that is a too facile explanation. I think the culture we have now reflects the doctrine as discussed in the past, as well as the social structures in which the gospel was incubated when the saints arrived in Utah. It is my impression that the conference talks now emphasize more broad Christian themes which in the past, when the saints sought to emphasize their apartness, were not emphasized. Like a great ship, to overuse an analogy, it takes a while to change headings.

[All-American]

That may be part of it. But it seems to me that somehow the message doesn't filter down. Think how different the church would be if Sacrament meeting talks, lessons, etc. were all as Christ-focused as GC. This is up to Bishops and SP's in my mind.

Or maybe our perception is skewed by inordinately focusing on peripheral aberrations.

[Moliere]

And now women are the most satisfied with their roles in church leadership compared to other religions. WHere's Rosebud?

Cook sure gave a good talk while not endearing himself to RB. He did just note the results of the study and didn't say it is the reason no changes are made.

[creekster]

Or maybe our perception is skewed by inordinately focusing on peripheral aberrations.

This too.

[LA Ute]

Or maybe our perception is skewed by inordinately focusing on peripheral aberrations.

This is one reason I enjoy GC. It refocuses me.

[creekster]

Cook sure gave a good talk while not endearing himself to RB. He did just note the results of the study and didn't say it is the reason no changes are made.

I thought it was good too. I gather one of his points is that those who criticize women's roles in the church at least shouldn't do so on the basis that they are unhappy.

[Pheidippides]

I think you are correct to a degree but I also think that is a too facile explanation. I think the culture we have now reflects the doctrine as discussed in the past, as well as the social structures in which the gospel was incubated when the saints arrived in Utah. It is my impression that the conference talks now emphasize more broad Christian themes which in the past, when the saints sought to emphasize their apartness, were not emphasized. Like a great ship, to overuse an analogy, it takes a while to change headings.

I agree with this. I can't recall if we looked it up on the site we were messing with yesterday, but it has seemed to me over the past decade that the tone out of SLC (meaning church HQ) has been about fundamental New Testament Christianity, while obviously not ignoring the uniqueness of what makes us Mormon. At the same time, the doctrinal practice in every ward and stake I've been in for the past 10 years - NYC perhaps being the lone exception - has been decidedly Bensonian. Part of that may be explained by the age of the leadership; they were all my age or maybe a bit younger when ETB was still an active prophet. I'm still formulating my theology at 33; I can't help but wonder if they were formulating their practice at the same age or thereabouts.

Not intended to be a critique but rather an observation.

[FMCoug]

I think you are correct to a degree but I also think that is a too facile explanation. I think the culture we have now reflects the doctrine as discussed in the past, as well as the social structures in which the gospel was incubated when the saints arrived in Utah. It is my impression that the conference talks now emphasize more broad Christian themes which in the past, when the saints sought to emphasize their apartness, were not emphasized. Like a great ship, to overuse an analogy, it takes a while to change headings.

You're probably right. I wonder if it is more obvious to those like myself who were not raised in that culture?

Or maybe our perception is skewed by inordinately focusing on peripheral aberrations.

There is undoubtedly some truth to this. But you have to admit that we are a very justice, works focused people. Take Davies' for example. If the overall theme of members discussing it were the young man, his salvation, the repentance process, etc. I might agree. But overwhelmingly, whenever it was discussed it was about "sticking to our principles". Which apparently are very justice-focused.

[LiveCoug]

You're probably right. I wonder if it is more obvious to those like myself who were not raised in that culture?



There is undoubtedly some truth to this. But you have to admit that we are a very justice, works focused people. Take Davies' for example. If the overall theme of members discussing it were the young man, his salvation, the repentance process, etc. I might agree. But overwhelmingly, whenever it was discussed it was about "sticking to our principles". Which apparently are very justice-focused.

Like Elder Cook just said, we don't know the unique circumstances of every situation. You have no idea what is going on with Davies enough to make any sort of judgement. Neither do I.

[Moliere]

Eyring went shopping since last conference.