I learned in church today

[Sullyute]

Oh and the subsidy program at BYU is why I pay on the net instead of gross.

It looks like somebody only wants net blessings.

[Paperback Writer]

I heard someone say the other day that 30% of the leadership in the church = BYU grads. I have no idea how this would be defined or if it is accurate, but it is difficult to overstate the quality of the students being admitted now. Tremendously talented and terrific leaders. It is a great investment to subsidize their education in the BYU environment.

In my Dallas area stake, it's much higher than 30%. Same was true growing up in the Midwest - but that is skewed by living in a college town where a university was a large employer and many of the young married adults were graduate students.

One more nice thing about subsidized tuition at BYU: it is a way that the Lord has been using to turn generations of apostasy around.

I have seen instances of Utah grads sending their kids to BYU to avoid out of state Utah tuition. Some of these families have been UofU grads for generations, but the subsidized tuition is a tool in breaking this cycle.

I think that's one area where the U. of Utah has "missed the boat" - not giving alumni access to in-state tuition rates. Utah St. already does this. Living in a Midwest college town growing up, I had access to faculty directories and LDS were predominately BYU alumni with a few U. of Utah and Utah St. alums. The vast majority of their kids were attending BYU - all the Utah alum's children attended BYU. I remember successive years where Nebraska opened up the season against Utah St. and Utah (and didn't lose on a Hail Mary unlike this season, but I digress) and these alums would host gatherings for visiting fans while their kids were attending or planning to attend BYU. For many families outside Utah, the affordable college options are State U. and BYU. And in many instances BYU is the better school and the lower cost.

[Omaha 680]

One more nice thing about subsidized tuition at BYU: it is a way that the Lord has been using to turn generations of apostasy around.

I have seen instances of Utah grads sending their kids to BYU to avoid out of state Utah tuition. Some of these families have been UofU grads for generations, but the subsidized tuition is a tool in breaking this cycle.

My BIL is a good example of this. Utah family for generations. He was inactive, but came back to church when he met his future wife. She is a BYU grad who he actually converted to Utedom when they got married. But he has told me more than once that there is a part of him that hopes his kids want to go to BYU and can get in so they can get the affordable, high quality education.

And thus the Lord gathers his people who have gone astray.

[Pelado]

My BIL is a good example of this. Utah family for generations. He was inactive, but came back to church when he met his future wife. She is a BYU grad who he actually converted to Utedom when they got married. But he has told me more than once that there is a part of him that hopes his kids want to go to BYU and can get in so they can get the affordable, high quality education.

And thus the Lord gathers his people who have gone astray.

It's a marvelous work and a wonder.

[imanihonjin]

When did Yale change their colors to blue?

As far as I know, Yale has always had the color blue.

[lambdacoug]

As far as I know, Yale has always had the color blue.

Oops, I thought they were red. Which goes to show just how much I know about school colors in the Ivy League.

[Dwight Schr-ute]

In my Dallas area stake, it's much higher than 30%. Same was true growing up in the Midwest - but that is skewed by living in a college town where a university was a large employer and many of the young married adults were graduate students.


I think that's one area where the U. of Utah has "missed the boat" - not giving alumni access to in-state tuition rates. Utah St. already does this. Living in a Midwest college town growing up, I had access to faculty directories and LDS were predominately BYU alumni with a few U. of Utah and Utah St. alums. The vast majority of their kids were attending BYU - all the Utah alum's children attended BYU. I remember successive years where Nebraska opened up the season against Utah St. and Utah (and didn't lose on a Hail Mary unlike this season, but I digress) and these alums would host gatherings for visiting fans while their kids were attending or planning to attend BYU. For many families outside Utah, the affordable college options are State U. and BYU. And in many instances BYU is the better school and the lower cost.

Yep. Financially, Utah won't be an option for my kids. I plan on taking full advantage of USU's out of state alum exemption.

[falafel]

Yep. Financially, Utah won't be an option for my kids. I plan on taking full advantage of USU's out of state alum exemption.

Can't they go "live" with Grandma for 6 months prior to applying?

[Dwight Schr-ute]

Can't they go "live" with Grandma for 6 months prior to applying?

Pretty sure it's a year. They probably will all want to be fish biologists though. So USU it is.

[swampfrog]

Maybe. We have about 20 youth and about 40 in the primary. Not huge numbers, but a ward across town has about 75 active youth and they seem to be fine. Ward budgets seem to be like most family budgets - If you have it, you spend it. If you don't, you don't.

It's usually the attempt to run the scouting programs according to church guidelines and also emphasizing the leaders not spend their own money at the same time. Then throw in reconciling the inequality of total money spent on YM programs vs. YW programs. I would hazard to guess most wards with significant membership under 18 years old which don't have budget issues, have members contributing without reporting. I've observed the same dilemmas in the three wards I've been a member of during my adult life (all in the same geographical area).

[imanihonjin]

It's usually the attempt to run the scouting programs according to church guidelines and also emphasizing the leaders not spend their own money at the same time. Then throw in reconciling the inequality of total money spent on YM programs vs. YW programs. I would hazard to guess most wards with significant membership under 18 years old which don't have budget issues, have members contributing without reporting. I've observed the same dilemmas in the three wards I've been a member of during my adult life (all in the same geographical area).

I've seen people make this statement, but in my last two wards where I have seen the budget the YM and YW budgets were essentially equal.

[kccougar]

I've seen people make this statement, but in my last two wards where I have seen the budget the YM and YW budgets were essentially equal.

Agreed. It's also very tough to judge based on the costs of the YW program typically covered at the Stake level and never make it into the ward budget.

[Northwestcoug]

Pretty sure it's a year. They probably will all want to be fish biologists though. So USU it is.

I'm sorry

[pellegrino]

I've seen people make this statement, but in my last two wards where I have seen the budget the YM and YW budgets were essentially equal.

was the YM budget amount before or after they paid for the scouting charter fees? I suspect the number you saw was the amount given to the YM after paying for scouting.

[swampfrog]

was the YM budget amount before or after they paid for the scouting charter fees? I suspect the number you saw was the amount given to the YM after paying for scouting.

What I've seen is that scouting was always a separate budget category separated from YM/YW and that the total of YM + scouting was always significantly higher than YW, and cubs scouts takes a larger chunk of the primary budget than does activity days.

I'll grant that once you factor in what the stake pays for girls camp, it may not be as skewed.