I learned in church today

[SandYFan]

So, yeah. It is the same as someone who fornicates, steals, lies, doesn't keep the Sabbath holy, smokes tobacco or drinks alcohol or coffee. Those are all technically "sins" (admittedly, some may only be sins for the LDS folks). So they really aren't any different.

You really think someone in a committed, legal homosexual relationship is doing the same wrong as of someone who lies, steals or commits adultery?

[YOhio]

Good thing a christian church announced the need for love, acceptance, and understanding. this must have been a complete shock to most in the congregation.

LOL! Very funny post, DDD.

[Pelado]

Sleeping with someone on the ward council has benefits

Does your wife know about that?

So you're splitting hairs. This goes for every sin ever, right?

Working from the frame of reference that someone has been taught that homosexual intercourse is a sin, entering into gay marriage means you are unrepentant about engaging in the act, and as such, God is super mad at you and your progression is stopped. Hence my use of the word damned.

Not if they don't consummate the marriage.

[SandYFan]

Not if they don't consummate the marriage.

I'm not entirely sure about that. Would the church pursue disciplinary action to a couple who entered a gay marriage but promised they weren't engaging in sexual acts? Hmmm.

[byu71]

You really think someone in a committed, legal homosexual relationship is doing the same wrong as of someone who lies, steals or commits adultery?

This goes back to some teachings that God looks upon all sins equally. I don't know where that teaching originated or if it is actually still taught.

In my own thinking it is ridiculous to teach that. All sins are equal is nuts.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This goes back to some teachings that God looks upon all sins equally. I don't know where that teaching originated or if it is actually still taught.

In my own thinking it is ridiculous to teach that. All sins are equal is nuts.

Ranking sins is even more dumb.

[SandYFan]

This goes back to some teachings that God looks upon all sins equally. I don't know where that teaching originated or if it is actually still taught.

In my own thinking it is ridiculous to teach that. All sins are equal is nuts.

Okay, I get that, but you're still saying someone in a committed, legal marriage to someone of the same sex is doing wrong.

[BlueK]

Ranking sins is even more dumb.

Ranking them from 1-1000 doesn't make any sense. On the other hand, common sense would say murder is worse of a sin than drinking coffee.

[Pelado]

I'm not entirely sure about that. Would the church pursue disciplinary action to a couple who entered a gay marriage but promised they weren't engaging in sexual acts? Hmmm.

Just because a bishop or stake president begins disciplinary action (without any input from SLC) does not necessarily mean that the hypothetical abstinent married gay couple "are unrepentant about engaging in the act".

Ranking them from 1-1000 doesn't make any sense. On the other hand, common sense would say murder is worse of a sin than drinking coffee.

Don't try to dismiss your coffee drinking. You are separated from the presence of God just as much as if you'd killed someone.

[Commando]

I would presume the same principles of malum in se and malum prohibitum apply to sins as well- some will prevent your divine progress outright because they are contrary to the character of a being in harmony with the laws of the universe and some are mere acts of disobedience.

[BlueK]

I would presume the same principles of malum in se and malum prohibitum apply to sins as well- some will prevent your divine progress outright because they are contrary to the character of a being in harmony with the laws of the universe and some are mere acts of disobedience.

Well put

[BlueK]

Don't try to dismiss your coffee drinking. You are separated from the presence of God just as much as if you'd killed someone.

That's true if there was no atonement or if I don't repent. And I'm probably committing the sin of pride by giving this disclaimer, but I've never been a coffee drinker. Unlike most perhaps, the mere smell of coffee makes me feel like vomiting. Although I admit I do regularly disobey other commandments.

And at least from the perspective of LDS doctrine/practice, which I don't know if you're arguing from or not -- at least in practice, it's a little harder to repent from murder than from coffee drinking. I don't think think that's really even debateable. I guess from there you could go the direction of arguing that it shouldn't take any more effort to get back in the good graces of the church after committing murder than any other sin, but clearly that isn't the way it is currently. Now if I were an evangelical the transition back to the good graces of my church/christian community might be smoother, but even that would probably be a little dicey. It's a little more defined or clear cut in LDS practice because we have rules around qualifying for a temple recommend or other privileges.

[SandYFan]

Is it fair to say that the unrepentant, fully educated, endowed member of the church is damned? No matter what the sin is?

[Pelado]

Although I admit I do regularly disobey other commandments.

:rockon1:

[Jeff Lebowski]

Ranking them from 1-1000 doesn't make any sense. On the other hand, common sense would say murder is worse of a sin than drinking coffee.