I learned in church today

[wuapinmon]

I really don't see the relation. I questioned his (and my) bias in that bolded portion. I question our ability to present the truth in a SS class free from our bias, or with a pure motivation of keeping people faithful rather than the more crude motivation of merely providing the truth, as we see it. I never said we ought to hide the truth. I only speak truth.

Ok, but it's still a trap. If no one who knows the truth about things like the hat and stone can present it without being biased, then it never gets presented, so we can't talk about it because, what if doing so causes someone else to lose the faith, and so on. Anyone who knows these things will be biased because it's never presented in a faith-based setting. Someone has to cross the Rubicon.

[snowcat]

What should have been an encouraging lesson on what could have been a pretty progressive discussion just ended up leaving me feeling frustrated. Is it me that chooses to make my church experience all complicated and time consuming with meetings and correlations and missionary splits? Is it me that shovels the guilt when I excuse myself from any of these obligations so that I can spend more time with my wife and kids?

This point was further driven home by the high councilman during the priesthood lesson on how we need to do a better job at removing the wants from our lives (going to the gym every day, watching tv, sports activities) so that we have more time for the needs (church activities, temple attendance, family time). The whole thing just left me feeling exhausted.

My experience on Sunday was the exact opposite. Although I understand your feelings completely.

I am currently WML. My current work demands most of my week and the remainder is spent with family (part of this is due to some family challenges that more than anything just need time and attention). I have precious little time for anything else and sometimes I dread going to a meeting to hear more things I should be doing that I know I can't. This Sunday was Stake Priesthood leadership mtg. I was not looking forward to getting up early to go. I went. In our break-out session for the WML's the HC over the missionary work lead with Matt 11:28-30.

28 ¶Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

This sunk deeply into my heart. I came away feeling that I just need to do what I can do, and that will be enough. I am yoked with the Savior and He carries the bulk of the load. I needed to hear/feel that.

[Jacob]

Ok, but it's still a trap. If no one who knows the truth about things like the hat and stone can present it without being biased, then it never gets presented, so we can't talk about it because, what if doing so causes someone else to lose the faith, and so on. Anyone who knows these things will be biased because it's never presented in a faith-based setting. Someone has to cross the Rubicon.

I think it can be presented well, and I'm certain niku does a fine job of it and makes a noble feeort. But his comment that he is already too far gone led me to question whether he can remain unbiased enough to present it with the "proper" intent of building faith, rather that just presenting truth as he or I may see it. I'm all for an accurate representation of the history, and even more important, and open discussion of what it all means.

I really don't want to question motives, and I'm probably inserting my personality into it more than I should. No reason to think he and I have the same predispositions, but we have traveled similar paths at times, it sounds like to me.

[Pheidippides]

I learned in church today

I learned in church today that my bishop is awesome and has my back.

[Harry Tic]

Enough already with the prayers for moisture. Things are moist. Damp, even.

[Katy Lied]

I learned in church today that my bishop is awesome and has my back.

I think this is very significant with long reaching impact.

[Harry Tic]

I learned in church today that my bishop is awesome and has my back.

Excellent news. Does this mean you should change your tagline above your avatar?

[All-American]

Excellent news. Does this mean you should change your tagline above your avatar?

It means he's safe for something under six years.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I learned in church today that my bishop is awesome and has my back.

That's great. Happy for you.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I learned the following in sac meeting: "Our pioneer ancestors did not suffer terrible hardships and bury their babies on the plains for home teaching. They did it because of their faith in Christ."

(From our bishop - bless his heart)

[Pheidippides]

I learned in church today

Excellent news. Does this mean you should change your tagline above your avatar?

I've been meaning to change that for a while. I can't remember where I got it from but it was a lot funnier a year ago.

I've also learned that I am paranoid. I need to have more faith in my friends, of which the bishop is one.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Re: I learned in church today

I learned the following in sac meeting: "Our pioneer ancestors did not suffer terrible hardships and bury their babies on the plains for home teaching. They did it because of their faith in Christ."

(From our bishop - bless his heart)

Nice for one of them to see the light.

[Surfah]

I learned that my 2 year old can embarrass the hell out of me.

[FN Phat]

I learned that my 2 year old can embarrass the hell out of me.

Please tell

[Moliere]

I learned in church today

I learned in church today that my bishop is awesome and has my back.