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  • #76
    Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
    Sorry, bad link. Here's the real one:

    http://ldsclerks.com/images/archive/...adquarters.doc

    I haven't started using it yet. I printed off and filled out the form last night. I'll email it today and then try it out in January.

    Essentially you just set up the church in bill pay and then send money using your membership number to identify you as the person donating the funds. I know of some people in my ward that do this, but then they also make sure and donate their fast offerings to the ward through the old process.
    This is another reality of living here. On Sunday, two Lesser Priesthood dudes knocked on the front door for Fast Offerings. I think they were confused (as was I for a second) because I told them we would just pay it with our tithing and give it to the Bishop.

    Back in OC we did not go door to door on Fast Sunday. Ward boundaries were too big and it was impractical. Not sure what the purpose is of sending guys door to door now (maybe back in the early pioneer days). I would imagine that one of the alleged reasons is to let the youth see how other people pay fast offerings, but this motivation seems to run counter to the suggestion that we basically do these sort of dealings in secret, not letting our right hand know what the left hand is doing.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by The_Tick View Post
      Aren't you the happy one...

      I am probably going to get a talking too because along with doing tithing online, I also did my Fast Offerings also. Just makes it so much easier.
      The only downside to paying FO online is that they won't get used in your local ward. FO funds are disbursed by the ward that collects them. If the ward runs a significant surplus for the year, the funds are pushed up the line to the stake and used to subsidize other wards in the stake that run a deficit.

      If you donate FO directly to church HQ, the funds just go to general welfare operations and stuff. Not a big deal, just something you might want to consider...

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      • #78
        Originally posted by jay santos View Post
        No surprise, but I'm against tithing settlement. It's no more than a manipulation to get people to pay tithing. I know bishops try their best not to make it that, but that's what it is, and it's very hard to make it much more than that.
        How so?

        What is the bishop going to say if you say "no." "Well, then don't come back until you do!!!!"
        "They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.

        Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
          This is another reality of living here. On Sunday, two Lesser Priesthood dudes knocked on the front door for Fast Offerings. I think they were confused (as was I for a second) because I told them we would just pay it with our tithing and give it to the Bishop.

          Back in OC we did not go door to door on Fast Sunday. Ward boundaries were too big and it was impractical. Not sure what the purpose is of sending guys door to door now (maybe back in the early pioneer days). I would imagine that one of the alleged reasons is to let the youth see how other people pay fast offerings, but this motivation seems to run counter to the suggestion that we basically do these sort of dealings in secret, not letting our right hand know what the left hand is doing.
          I think it is a new emphasis around here. A few years ago I was the deacon's quorum advisor and we only had 5-6 envelopes we were taking around because everyone liked paying it with their tithing. Our SP asked that we start going door-to-door with everyone in the ward. We ignored it (thinking it was just a suggestion) and they really got after us. So I ordered envelopes and drew up routes for the entire ward. Those poor boys got yelled at for the first couple of months ("Why are you doing this? We pay with our tithing!") but everyone is used to it now.
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          • #80
            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            No surprise, but I'm against tithing settlement. It's no more than a manipulation to get people to pay tithing. I know bishops try their best not to make it that, but that's what it is, and it's very hard to make it much more than that.
            I'm against it but not for the same reason you are. I'm against it because it as an anachronism - a left-over from the days when tithe-paying wasn't a requirement for temple attendance (pre-1881) and from the days when people generally donated in-kind (probably up until the 1920s or so in some rural areas).

            Now that it's a requirement for a TR and that people almost never donate in-kind, it's a time-consuming ritual that has very little meaning.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
              I think it is a new emphasis around here. A few years ago I was the deacon's quorum advisor and we only had 5-6 envelopes we were taking around because everyone liked paying it with their tithing. Our SP asked that we start going door-to-door with everyone in the ward. We ignored it (thinking it was just a suggestion) and they really got after us. So I ordered envelopes and drew up routes for the entire ward. Those poor boys got yelled at for the first couple of months ("Why are you doing this? We pay with our tithing!") but everyone is used to it now.
              About four months ago our ward started doing fast offering callbacks -- if you weren't home for the deacons on Fast Sunday they come back the following Sunday. Does your ward do that?

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              • #82
                I don't particularly cafe for tithing settlement. I also don't like that the bishop keeps telling me to come in for a TR interview. I'm not super interested in having one right now.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                  I'm grading final exams. I need to vent.

                  Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
                  Sorry, bad link. Here's the real one:
                  I think EJ just tried to phish your tithing!



                  Originally posted by The_Tick View Post
                  Aren't you the happy one...
                  I got this text after church yesterday from my bishop:

                  "We missed you today."

                  My response, verbatim, "Odd, since we were there."
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                  The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                    This is another reality of living here. On Sunday, two Lesser Priesthood dudes knocked on the front door for Fast Offerings. I think they were confused (as was I for a second) because I told them we would just pay it with our tithing and give it to the Bishop.

                    Back in OC we did not go door to door on Fast Sunday. Ward boundaries were too big and it was impractical. Not sure what the purpose is of sending guys door to door now (maybe back in the early pioneer days). I would imagine that one of the alleged reasons is to let the youth see how other people pay fast offerings, but this motivation seems to run counter to the suggestion that we basically do these sort of dealings in secret, not letting our right hand know what the left hand is doing.
                    FO are still collected in my ward, and frankly I'm happy for it as I would otherwise forget to pay. I only paid tithing 4 times this year and thus I'd most likely only pay FO 4 times as well is the deacs didn't visit me.

                    In our ward, the reason for the door-to-door collection of FOs is to give the APH a PH responsibility to perform. We have been encourageed as members to not pay with tithing and to pay FO when the deacs come a knockin'. I don't like this reason at all but I am glad they do knock on my door every month.
                    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
                      The only downside to paying FO online is that they won't get used in your local ward. FO funds are disbursed by the ward that collects them. If the ward runs a significant surplus for the year, the funds are pushed up the line to the stake and used to subsidize other wards in the stake that run a deficit.

                      If you donate FO directly to church HQ, the funds just go to general welfare operations and stuff. Not a big deal, just something you might want to consider...
                      Correct. I understood that to be the case, I am just lazy when it comes to paying the bills.

                      He will chasten me, and I will do better. I went the entire year on one book of checks though.

                      Wuap...my Bishop texts me...but only to talk about sports. None of this Church stuff that you speak of.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        I think EJ just tried to phish your tithing!
                        Your 10% cut of DDD's tithing is now down to 0%!

                        Remember DDD, it's Alan, with one "l".
                        "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
                          FO are still collected in my ward, and frankly I'm happy for it as I would otherwise forget to pay. I only paid tithing 4 times this year and thus I'd most likely only pay FO 4 times as well is the deacs didn't visit me.

                          In our ward, the reason for the door-to-door collection of FOs is to give the APH a PH responsibility to perform. We have been encourageed as members to not pay with tithing and to pay FO when the deacs come a knockin'. I don't like this reason at all but I am glad they do knock on my door every month.
                          seems like there are better things to do than go around collecting money from members. I am not even sure that is considered "service," since it is basically bill collecting.

                          Also, I wonder why we are allowed to hand FOs to any of these kids but we are supposed to give tithing only to a specified few? What is the distinction there?
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
                            In our ward, the reason for the door-to-door collection of FOs is to give the APH a PH responsibility to perform. We have been encourageed as members to not pay with tithing and to pay FO when the deacs come a knockin'. I don't like this reason at all but I am glad they do knock on my door every month.
                            This is the stated reason in my ward as well. The stake went hard core about it a few years ago and as a result I pay FO and sometimes my tithing to the deacons now.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by scottie View Post
                              About four months ago our ward started doing fast offering callbacks -- if you weren't home for the deacons on Fast Sunday they come back the following Sunday. Does your ward do that?
                              I don't know.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                                seems like there are better things to do than go around collecting money from members. I am not even sure that is considered "service," since it is basically bill collecting.

                                Also, I wonder why we are allowed to hand FOs to any of these kids but we are supposed to give tithing only to a specified few? What is the distinction there?
                                No disagreement from me. Although there are times when donations are made by inactives or people that can't make it to church because of health issues with family members.

                                I'm more interested to see if there is a doctrinal reason for this collection. I don't remember reading it as a duty of the deacons. I thought they were only in charge of passing the sacrament and calling down angels from heaven.

                                As it stands now in my ward, we have one deacon go with their mom or dad. The parent drives them around and the deacon goes to the door. If I'm ever given a say in this matter, I'll voice my opinion that we stop visiting people that pay with their tithing.
                                "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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