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  • Jeff Lebowski
    Corporate lackey for Jesus
    • Nov 2008
    • 69792

    #2131
    Originally posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    That 22% Top 5 number has to be Utah heavy. In many areas outside the Mormon west, the % LDS HS students is < 5% and the top 10 students are heavily represented by Asians (Indians, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc.) that have very low % of LDS. In my kids' HS, it would be very impressive if any LDS HS student made the top 10 in class rank.
    No way. First of all, there aren't enough Utah students at BYU to skew the numbers that heavily. Second, there are plenty of uber-motivated Asians dominating the top spots in Utah schools also (esp along the wasatch front). You are also making an implicit assumption that LDS students aren't smart enough to cut it against top competition. Hogwash.
    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
    "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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    • Jeff Lebowski
      Corporate lackey for Jesus
      • Nov 2008
      • 69792

      #2132
      Originally posted by Applejack View Post
      If some administrator at BYU is "fudging" like that, he/she should be fired. Rising acceptance rates hurt a school's ranking.
      No way that is happening. Crazy talk.
      "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
      "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
      "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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      • Jeff Lebowski
        Corporate lackey for Jesus
        • Nov 2008
        • 69792

        #2133
        Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
        Isn't BYU's acceptance rate still like 55%? That wouldn't even make the top 100... http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandre...cceptance-rate
        As an LDS school drawing from a specific subset of HS students, BYU is in a very unique situation that will skew that number. See DH's link on yield numbers for example.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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        • Uncle Ted
          The Big 12 money shot.
          • Apr 2010
          • 28853

          #2134
          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          No way. First of all, there aren't enough Utah students at BYU to skew the numbers that heavily. Second, there are plenty of uber-motivated Asians dominating the top spots in Utah schools also (esp along the wasatch front). You are also making an implicit assumption that LDS students aren't smart enough to cut it against top competition. Hogwash.
          One data point: I know a student that was not even the top 20 of her Texas high school class but was a "Monson Scholar" at BYU. Of course her class size was about 1500 and the top 20 was dominated very motivated, non-LDS kids including a lot of Asians.

          One thing that bugs me about BYU is that weighted GPAs are not really considered as much as the state schools in Texas. Also, a lot of top schools take in consideration of the high school the applicant attended. I am not convince this is the case with BYU. It seems that kids wanting to go to BYU are better off taking more non-AP classes (and keeping their GPA high) and studying to do very well on ACT. I have seen kids raise their ACT scores by 5+ by taking a good ACT course, for example. That test can be gamed.
          "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
          "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
          "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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          • Jeff Lebowski
            Corporate lackey for Jesus
            • Nov 2008
            • 69792

            #2135
            Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
            One data point: I know a student that was not even the top 20 of her Texas high school class but was a "Monson Scholar" at BYU. Of course her class size was about 1500 and the top 20 was dominated very motivated, non-LDS kids including a lot of Asians.

            One thing that bugs me about BYU is that weighted GPAs are not really considered as much as the state schools in Texas. Also, a lot of top schools take in consideration of the high school the applicant attended. I am not convince this is the case with BYU. It seems that kids wanting to go to BYU are better off taking more non-AP classes (and keeping their GPA high) and studying to do very well on ACT. I have seen kids raise their ACT scores by 5+ by taking a good ACT course, for example. That test can be gamed.
            Texas is awesome. We get it!
            "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
            "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
            "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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            • ERCougar
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 10978

              #2136
              So sort of related question...does anyone know of any state schools that are good where it's fairly easy to get residency? I have mixed feelings about byu, but I hate that our state school is Utah.
              At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
              -Berry Trammel, 12/3/10

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              • Jeff Lebowski
                Corporate lackey for Jesus
                • Nov 2008
                • 69792

                #2137
                Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                So sort of related question...does anyone know of any state schools that are good where it's fairly easy to get residency? I have mixed feelings about byu, but I hate that our state school is Utah.
                (Ted and PBW: Relax, I got this one.)

                TEXAS
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                • Moliere
                  One man.....one pie
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 27918

                  #2138
                  Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                  (Ted and PBW: Relax, I got this one.)

                  TEXAS
                  .
                  "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                  • New Mexican Disaster
                    Suomalainen
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 4549

                    #2139
                    Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                    So sort of related question...does anyone know of any state schools that are good where it's fairly easy to get residency? I have mixed feelings about byu, but I hate that our state school is Utah.
                    Utah State is not that bad.

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                    • wuapinmon
                      Soul Plumber
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 30711

                      #2140
                      I don't know what 'sjbh' means and I can't find an answer googling that seems to fit what it means when people use it.
                      "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                      The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                      • CardiacCoug
                        вот так штука
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 11013

                        #2141
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        I don't know what 'sjbh' means and I can't find an answer googling that seems to fit what it means when people use it.
                        Shocked you don't know that one. SJBH.

                        Totally agree it can't be Survey of the Jewish Built Heritage or Saint John the Baptist Parish, Howard WI.

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                        • The_Tick
                          Made something of myself
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 7301

                          #2142
                          Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                          I don't know what 'sjbh' means and I can't find an answer googling that seems to fit what it means when people use it.
                          That's sucks. Sorry...just being honest.

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                          • YOhio
                            Hipster Mode
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 26165

                            #2143
                            Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                            I don't know what 'sjbh' means and I can't find an answer googling that seems to fit what it means when people use it.
                            It means "sorry just being honest." It's a phrase Seattle ute invented.

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                            • TripletDaddy
                              sweet triple
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 58186

                              #2144
                              Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                              It means "sorry just being honest." It's a phrase Seattle ute invented.
                              Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

                              sigpic

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                              • wuapinmon
                                Soul Plumber
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 30711

                                #2145
                                Doh!
                                "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                                The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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