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[byu71]

Well, IPU, I basically agree with you here. Stick to your values and see where they take you. I like the way Viking put it:

Interesting statement. If Viking goes to hell for his stand, then he is either wrong about what is "basic human dignity" or he knows more than God about the subject.

My guess is that he is really saying he believes God agrees more with him than the leaders of the LDS church on this issue.

[RobinFinderson]

Interesting statement. If Viking goes to hell for his stand, then he is either wrong about what is "basic human dignity" or he knows more than God about the subject.

My guess is that he is really saying he believes God agrees more with him than the leaders of the LDS church on this issue.

I take Viking at his word. A lot of post-religious folks take a look at the composite God of all scriptures and figure that if He is anything like the being described, rebellion is the honorable thing to do. We don't know enough about the cosmos to be able to invent some kind old grandfatherly God, just to patch up our faith. But we've got the scripture, and if you take the scriptures at face value, God is a cosmic bully, and bullies need to be stood up to.

[Surfah]

I take Viking at his word. A lot of post-religious folks take a look at the composite God of all scriptures and figure that if He is anything like the being described, rebellion is the honorable thing to do. We don't know enough about the cosmos to be able to invent some kind old grandfatherly God, just to patch up our faith. But we've got the scripture, and if you take the scriptures at face value, God is a cosmic bully, and bullies need to be stood up to.

And if we take the scriptures at face value those people got smote down. I'll take my chances being God-fearing I guess. Unless Viking himself is gay I have a hard time believing anyone not LGBT taking such a stance.

[YOhio]

Why do you need to fear God? It was Stuart Matis's suicide 9 years ago that caused serious introspection regarding my views on the matter. I am not gay but I don't see what it would matter if I was...

His story is sad. It sounds like he was a good person.

[Surfah]

Why do you need to fear God? It was Stuart Matis's suicide 9 years ago that caused serious introspection regarding my views on the matter. I am not gay but I don't see what it would matter if I was...

Fear perhaps was the wrong word. Just borrowed from the phrase. Respect is probably better suited for my position. And I knew who you spoke of. I just find it curious that someone who is not LGBT to feel strongly enough to choose "hell," to paraphrase you, over what you believe to be "basic human dignity" is all. I could care less if you're gay or if you spent money in support of prop 8. I don't doubt that losing a friend like Stuart could have caused you to question your own beliefs, but I suspect that there are many other things you object to than simply the Church's stance on homosexuality.

[Surfah]

His story is sad. It sounds like he was a good person.

Sad indeed, particularly when it seemed that he had some support from family, friends and even his Bishop, at least from the articles I have read about him. Sad too that his mission companion did the same just weeks later unable to reconcile the same feelings.

[BigPiney]

Fear perhaps was the wrong word. Just borrowed from the phrase. Respect is probably better suited for my position. A

Actually I believe Fear in the way you were taking it from that phrase actually relates to reverence: http://www.wordreference.com/definition/reverence

So as we are to 'fear' God, I don't think is much different then our 'revering' Him.

[kccougar]

It might be more accurate to say, to avoid getting bogged down with definitions, that when one belongs to a society, one's status will typically rise or fall according to one's harmony with social values. But social values change over time. Yesterday it may have been a social plus to be against gay marriage. I doubt that will be the case ten years from now. Whatever word one chooses to describe the church's official position on gay marriage, or its history and contemporary treatment of homosexual men and women, in and out of the church, the word matters less than the degree to which those views harmonize with popular social morality.

What a bunch of crap. Taking a stand is only as principled as how well it conforms to society's [current] opinion?

[RobinFinderson]

What a bunch of crap. Taking a stand is only as principled as how well it conforms to society's [current] opinion?

That isn't what I said.

[wuapinmon]

That isn't what I said.

I think Robin's words get misconstrued more than any other CUFer's....and that's throwing out Hallelujah's misreadings.

[byu71]

I think Robin's words get misconstrued more than any other CUFer's....and that's throwing out Hallelujah's misreadings.

Yea, contemporary thinking can have a myriad of meanings.

[byu71]

I love your posts because I get to see boobies. Thank you.

Hey, you are relatively new here. We are all drawn to her smile. I would hope you would learn to do the same.

[Mr Incredible]

Why do you need to fear God? It was Stuart Matis's suicide 9 years ago that caused serious introspection regarding my views on the matter. I am not gay but I don't see what it would matter if I was...

Stuart was in my ward at BYU. A friend of mine was a companion of his on their missions. I lived in the Bay Area when it happened. I think Stuart's life (as well as his death) had a great impact on many people regarding this issue.

I think you are confusing the LDS church with the Baptist group that protests at funerals.