Fire Ty

[Jarid in Cedar]

Grimes is a defensible hire that makes sense. Whether it will be successful is tbd, but at least everyone outside of the BYU bubble aren't lol or saying wtf. (Contrast that to the tfd hire)

[Jeff Lebowski]

Grimes is a defensible hire that makes sense. Whether it will be successful is tbd, but at least everyone outside of the BYU bubble aren't lol or saying wtf. (Contrast that to the tfd hire)

Well apparently you didn’t hear the story about how TFD taught Brett Favre what a dime defense is!

[cougjunkie]

LOL at GM for saying Grimes won't call plays. Grimes doesn't take this job if he is not calling the plays.

Grimes has 25 years of coaching experience at the D1 level. He has been the run game coordinator at LSU and Auburn. Did you know the Run game coordinator has input on play calling? Did you know they also design running plays against the opponents defense? Did you know they also design and coach all of the blocking schemes? Did you know they also have input on the audibles, formations, and overall concept/philosophy the offense uses? So maybe he wasn't "calling plays" during the games like most would have liked but I assure you that he had plenty of input on what plays were called during what situations.

He has coached under Dirk Koetter, Gene Chizik (where he won a Natty), Frank Beamer, Les Miles and Ed Orgeron. During his playing career at UTEP his offensive coordinator? Andy Reid.

The guy has been around enough great offensive minds and coached long enough to know how to call plays. Sorry but you can't compare this to Ty Detmer. Ty had never game planned an offense before, or taught concepts to a college athlete. Grimes has done it for 25 years.

In addition it looks like he will be surrounded by "play callers" my predictions are the staff is rounded out as follows:

QB Coach- Paul Peterson
RB Coach- Quinton Ganther (just to make Funks head explode)
WR Coach- Fesi Sitake
OL Coach- Empey (has a close relationship with Grimes)
TE coach- Clark (also has a close relationship with Grimes)

Whether or not Grimes is a good OC or not remains to be seen, but BYU made a homerun hire in my opinion just buy taking a chance and coming up with the money and resources to lure someone of his caliber. This is by far Kalanis best recruiting pickup to date.

[Jeff Lebowski]

RB Coach- Quinton Ganther (just to make Funks head explode)

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In fairness, it doesn’t take much to make funk’s head explode.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Well apparently you didn’t hear the story about how TFD taught Brett Favre what a dime defense is!

Is the dime defense what happens to the nickel defense with over 2 decades of inflation?

[smokymountainrain]

Grimes is a defensible hire that makes sense. Whether it will be successful is tbd, but at least everyone outside of the BYU bubble aren't lol or saying wtf. (Contrast that to the tfd hire)

oh yeah! what about the GFY hire?!

[Sizzle]

QB Coach- Paul Peterson
OL Coach- Empey (has a close relationship with Grimes)
TE coach- Clark (also has a close relationship with Grimes)

Paul Peterson: BYU GA in 2006. OL Coach: Jeff Grimes
Mike Empey: BYU TE coach 2004-2005. OL Coach: Jeff Grimes (You think TEs and OL work closely together?)
Steve Clark: BYU GA in 2005-2007. OL Coach: Jeff Grimes (Clark worked closely with the OL during his time there)

I do think each of those guys are likely on staff.

[Jarid in Cedar]

oh yeah! what about the GFY hire?!

Grandfather Young? Is he going to be the new quarterback coach?

[smokymountainrain]

Grandfather Young? Is he gong to be the new quarterback coach?

maybe. its still up in the air.

[Shaka]

He said calling plays was the most overrated aspect. Not that it wasn't important.

Also, as it relates to OC experience, let's see how the rest of the staff rounds out before making final judgement. I'd argue the two biggest issues on our offense this year were lack of identity and lack of accountability. I think Grimes is able to fix both of those. It may not be a one-year turn around. But I think he can get us there in 2 or 3. If that happens, of course he'll be gone either to a bigger program or as a Head Coach. But that's a good problem to have and it's been way too long since that happened to BYU. Especially since it means we're winning.

Yeah I don't really care. I'm sticking to my guns on this one. Many programs watch hours of film just to be able to script the first fifteen or twenty plays and to develop contingencies for adapting to the defensive wrinkles. I've attended the highs school coaching clinics at the local schools including BYU and considering the amount of time spent on the subject of preparation as it pertains to play calling they certainly do not consider it overrated. At least they didn't during the LaVell and Bronco eras.

[Shaka]

Whether or not Grimes is a good OC or not remains to be seen, but BYU made a homerun hire in my opinion just buy taking a chance and coming up with the money and resources to lure someone of his caliber. This is by far Kalanis best recruiting pickup to date.

I agree with this. I didn't think this one could happen but Kalani pulled it out of his hat. Grimes is the best of the available options and it's not close. Feather in Kalani's cap. Hopefully gets the job done

[Surfah]

Yeah I don't really care. I'm sticking to my guns on this one. Many programs watch hours of film just to be able to script the first fifteen or twenty plays and to develop contingencies for adapting to the defensive wrinkles. I've attended the highs school coaching clinics at the local schools including BYU and considering the amount of time spent on the subject of preparation as it pertains to play calling they certainly do not consider it overrated. At least they didn't during the LaVell and Bronco eras.

You can stick to your guns. You're still wrong. As others have pointed out I didn't say it wasn't important. I just think it's extremely overrated. And the most overrated responsibility an OC has. BTW, what you describe is what I would call game planning, not play calling. And that is something Grimes has done for years as CJ pointed out.

[Topper]

You can stick to your guns. You're still wrong. As others have pointed out I didn't say it wasn't important. I just think it's extremely overrated. And the most overrated responsibility an OC has. BTW, what you describe is what I would call game planning, not play calling. And that is something Grimes has done for years as CJ pointed out.

So you appear to say, that people rate the importance of play calling too highly. How highly do you believe rate its importance and what is the proper rating of importance?

Most of the staff knows the plays, or do they only know the part of the play for which they coach?

I assume the staff knows the plays just, maybe not as well as the play caller. So if the entire staff knows all the players and if one has competed at a high level, are you saying moving to play calling is not as difficult as it sounds? Some people are better at it than others but most people who've been on the staff a few years should be able to call plays once they know the play book, right?

[Uncle Ted]

Is this the end of a pass happy offense in Provo. Get big lineman, a big back like Tolutau and just try and grind it out. Boring but winning football.

This will prepare BYU to be a SEC expansion team!

[cougjunkie]

So you appear to say, that people rate the importance of play calling too highly. How highly do you believe rate its importance and what is the proper rating of importance?

Most of the staff knows the plays, or do they only know the part of the play for which they coach?

I assume the staff knows the plays just, maybe not as well as the play caller. So if the entire staff knows all the players and if one has competed at a high level, are you saying moving to play calling is not as difficult as it sounds? Some people are better at it than others but most people who've been on the staff a few years should be able to call plays once they know the play book, right?

Every member of the offensive staff should know every play. That’s really a dumb question. You think a college O-line coach is teaching his guys how to block a specific run play and what gap to open, but they have no idea what the running back is supposed to do?


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