2015 College Football Season

[Bo Diddley]

Utah in the hunt for a p12 division title: PAC left out of the playoff.

Would a 1 loss PAC champion get in over a 1 loss B12 champion? That would be an interesting scenario.

[TripletDaddy]

Notre Dame at #5 is worse.

All the teams outside the top 3 have their flaws. TCU has barely won a couple of their games. Gaylord played a terrible conference schedule. Michigan State shouldn't have beaten Michigan. All in all, I would have still put Michigan State in there.

Notre Dame has one loss, in the last seconds of a road game to arguably the top team in the country. If anything, Notre Dame has the "best" loss of any one loss team in the running. Why is Notre Dame at 5 worse than Alabama at 4?

[TripletDaddy]

Would a 1 loss PAC champion get in over a 1 loss B12 champion? That would be an interesting scenario.

Is utah that champion? if so, then no. If oregon, usc, ucla, stanford are that team, then yes. At least until the b12 adds a CCG.

[The_Douger]

Is utah that champion? if so, then no. If oregon, usc, ucla, stanford are that team, then yes. At least until the b12 adds a CCG.

So, despite obtaining PAC membership, Utah will still be treated as a mid major? Sounds appropriate.

[TripletDaddy]

So, despite obtaining PAC membership, Utah will still be treated as a mid major? Sounds appropriate.

i think far too much is made out of P5 membership and access to the playoff. People trash BYU because as an independent, your season is over after your first loss. Look at today's scenario. Michigan State has zero losses. Oklahoma has one loss. Utah has one loss. None of them are in the playoff either. The truth of the matter is that for pretty much all teams save maybe a few in any given season, your "season" is over after one loss.

P5 benefit is a fatter check, no doubt. but the "access" argument is dumb.

[scottie]

i think far too much is made out of P5 membership and access to the playoff. People trash BYU because as an independent, your season is over after your first loss. Look at today's scenario. Michigan State has zero losses. Oklahoma has one loss. Utah has one loss. None of them are in the playoff either. The truth of the matter is that for pretty much all teams save maybe a few in any given season, your "season" is over after one loss.

P5 benefit is a fatter check, no doubt. but the "access" argument is dumb.

And who's making the "access" argument. I've always thought the knock on independence was what are you playing for after your first loss. Eight of the last 20, 12 of the last 30 national champs had a loss, the '07 champ had two.

[TripletDaddy]

And who's making the "access" argument. I've always thought the knock on independence was what are you playing for after your first loss. Eight of the last 20, 12 of the last 30 national champs had a loss, the '07 champ had two.

you are basically restating what I am saying. you are still making an access argument, simply repackaged in a different format. Forget the national champions, how many other one loss teams were there in each of the years you cited? the vast majority of teams, save a few in any given season, are not playing for anything after their first loss. BYU is not unique in this regard and if they are to join the B12 they would still likely not be playing for anything after their first loss unless a whole bunch of other things fell into place.

if you feel like these P5 teams not in the playoff picture are still "playing for something," maybe you should let Baylor and TCU know. I am sure they will be very comforted to know that they are still in the hunt to win the B12 conference championship. I know last year they were both overjoyed with winning it.

[scottie]

you are basically restating what I am saying. you are still making an access argument, simply repackaged in a different format. Forget the national champions, how many other one loss teams were there in each of the years you cited? the vast majority of teams, save a few in any given season, are not playing for anything after their first loss. BYU is not unique in this regard and if they are to join the B12 they would still likely not be playing for anything after their first loss unless a whole bunch of other things fell into place.

if you feel like these P5 teams not in the playoff picture are still "playing for something," maybe you should let Baylor and TCU know. I am sure they will be very comforted to know that they are still in the hunt to win the B12 conference championship. I know last year they were both overjoyed with winning it.

Sure I was repackinging it, but I'm not trying to argue anything; what is there to argue about an independent having anything to play for after their first loss?

I obviously disagree that BYU would still 'likely' not be playing for anything after their first lost in the B12.

[TripletDaddy]

Sure I was repackinging it, but I'm not trying to argue anything; what is there to argue about an independent having anything to play for after their first loss?

I obviously disagree that BYU would still 'likely' not be playing for anything after their first lost in the B12.

what would they be playing for? maybe im missing something. a one loss byu isnt playing for a playoff spot, that is for sure. right now, an undefeated TCU, Baylor, and OSU arent even in the playoffs.

[scottie]

what would they be playing for? maybe im missing something. a one loss byu isnt playing for a playoff spot, that is for sure. right now, an undefeated TCU, Baylor, and OSU arent even in the playoffs.

Troll! Bama is in your playoff right now.

[TripletDaddy]

Troll! Bama is in your playoff right now.

Yes but that is my point. BYU isn't Alabama nor will it ever be, regardless of conference affiliation. Frankly, TCU and Baylor aren't Alabama either. I said previously that save a few teams, one loss ends your season. Alabama is one of those teams. Ohio state is one of those teams. Notre dame is one of those teams. BYU isn't. Utah isn't. Basically most P5 teams aren't. So after one loss, I'm not sure what most of these teams are allegedly playing for.

[Donuthole]

2015 College Football Season

Troll! Bama is in your playoff right now.

You used to be smarter than this.

Is utah that champion? if so, then no. If oregon, usc, ucla, stanford are that team, then yes. At least until the b12 adds a CCG.

EDIT: weird. Multi quote in tapatalk attributes all quotes to the first poster quoted.

[Topper]

Yes but that is my point. BYU isn't Alabama nor will it ever be, regardless of conference affiliation. Frankly, TCU and Baylor aren't Alabama either. I said previously that save a few teams, one loss ends your season. Alabama is one of those teams. Ohio state is one of those teams. Notre dame is one of those teams. BYU isn't. Utah isn't. Basically most P5 teams aren't. So after one loss, I'm not sure what most of these teams are allegedly playing for.

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We must wait the end of the season, as 11 undefeated teams by this time of year is unusual. The B12 doesn't get into the playoffs because those undefeated teams play nobody out of conference and they don't have a playoff in conference. More importantly, a one loss B12 BYU gets a NY6 Bowl most probably.

An independent BYU has crappy bowls unless it goes undefeated.

[Donuthole]

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We must wait the end of the season, as 11 undefeated teams by this time of year is unusual. The B12 doesn't get into the playoffs because those undefeated teams play nobody out of conference and they don't have a playoff in conference. More importantly, a one loss B12 BYU gets a NY6 Bowl most probably.

An independent BYU has crappy bowls unless it goes undefeated.

Only 10 undefeateds now. Weren't you watching 23rd ranked Toledo tonight?

Also, all non-playoff bowls are equally meaningless and therefore equally crappy. Just like all non-championship BCS bowls were meaningless. I have been saying this for years.

[scottie]

Yes but that is my point. BYU isn't Alabama nor will it ever be, regardless of conference affiliation. Frankly, TCU and Baylor aren't Alabama either. I said previously that save a few teams, one loss ends your season. Alabama is one of those teams. Ohio state is one of those teams. Notre dame is one of those teams. BYU isn't. Utah isn't. Basically most P5 teams aren't. So after one loss, I'm not sure what most of these teams are allegedly playing for.

I thought we were talking about "access" here... Anyway, as a USC fan you may not fully appreciate this, but being in the thick of playing for a conference championship in November can be a blast for fans; and then those of one-loss P5 teams in November have a little more to dream about; you know all this.