BYU Recruiting 2016

[Paperback Writer]

For anyone interested in a comparison of recruiting rankings versus actual rankings, one might find the linked article helpful. It's a couple of years out of date (Feb. 2015) and is based on data from 2010-2015. Also, it's focused on P5 teams (no mention of BYU).
Executive Summary: Recruiting Stars matter for many teams but not all. Utah St., Navy, Northern Illinois, Boise St., and Air Force were the biggest overachievers in the entire FBS. BYU would have probably made the Top Ten but the article only mentioned the Top 5 along with a table of the Top Ten P5 Overachievers. Also provided is a table of the Top Ten P5 Underachievers (Kansas is #1) and a table of the Top Ten P5 Meeting Expectations.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...al-signing-day

[byu71]

For anyone interested in a comparison of recruiting rankings versus actual rankings, one might find the linked article helpful. It's a couple of years out of date (Feb. 2015) and is based on data from 2010-2015. Also, it's focused on P5 teams (no mention of BYU).
Executive Summary: Recruiting Stars matter for many teams but not all. Utah St., Navy, Northern Illinois, Boise St., and Air Force were the biggest overachievers in the entire FBS. BYU would have probably made the Top Ten but the article only mentioned the Top 5 along with a table of the Top Ten P5 Overachievers. Also provided is a table of the Top Ten P5 Underachievers (Kansas is #1) and a table of the Top Ten P5 Meeting Expectations.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...al-signing-day

I was going to say again a disadvantage to BYU is those teams have lower academic standards. Certainly not the case with AF and Navy. Did they factor in strength of schedule? Perhaps I can't figure out a way to get academic standards in here.

[Paperback Writer]

I was going to say again a disadvantage to BYU is those teams have lower academic standards. Certainly not the case with AF and Navy. Did they factor in strength of schedule? Perhaps I can't figure out a way to get academic standards in here.

Academic standards is somewhat of a red herring outside of a few select programs like the service academies. Almost all schools (including BYU) will accept a highly ranked football player as long as he qualifies. The HC is a disadvantage but that is a different deal than "academic standards". The HC can be somewhat offset by BYU working with LDS players who want to serve missions because some (many?) coaches/programs will not allow it and it's part of the program at BYU.

Edit: To answer your question about rankings taking into account strength of schedule: Yes, those rankings do take SoS into account.

[cougjunkie]

I remember when Bronco took over and there was all this excitement about he will land the LDS kids and Utah kids. I called BS and got hammered by BYU chat board homers. When Utah got in the PAC12, Bronco said it wouldn't make much of a difference between BYU and Utah recruiting. Again I got called out by the blue goggleers on BYU chat boards for calling BS.

Unless BYU makes some big changes like realizing like the Boy Scouts have they need to come out of the 60's and get current. Also somehow get P5 (I don't blame BYU for that I don't want us to drop our beliefs to fit in), I don't really see anything changing. Bronco was either naive or just decided to feed the fans BS.

When I read your posts it is hard not to picture Trump. Reminds me of his speech on Black History Month. "The idiot press said I took Martin Luther Kings statue out of my office, but i didn't touch that statue, I respect that statue. Now what were we here for again?"

[byu71]

When I read your posts it is hard not to picture Trump. Reminds me of his speech on Black History Month. "The idiot press said I took Martin Luther Kings statue out of my office, but i didn't touch that statue, I respect that statue. Now what were we here for again?"

Wow, when you can't make a reasonable argument go ahead and compare someone to Trump. Were you also implying I am a bigot? I hope not.

My guess is back when I was saying these things you were one of the ones calling me a dope.

[BigPiney]

Even go to 2018 look at the top kids

1. Penei Sewell (4 star, hates BYU because they never offered his brothers)
2. Salua Masina (4 star, bros at Utah and Salt Lake county jail)
3. Tennesee Pututau (4 star, all bros at utah)
4. Cameron Latu (3 star, decommitted from BYU recently and picked up Bama offer)
5. Moa Heimuli (3 star, heavy Utah lean)

[The_Tick]

You are arguing two different things and conflating these arguments all over the place. First you start by saying that "stars don't mean shit" to which I responded yeah but I would rather have a roster full of 5 star guys. Your response: "Well I'd like a bigger bank account, better health, and a whole shitload of other things. Yet here I am with what I have" or "Some folks have a hard time living in reality, so I can understand while they are upset."

Not quite the same argument. No wonder you get so pissed and feel like you are talking in a vacuum when you argue about things to which aren't being argued (at least by me). I understand the realities of what BYU deals with and that BYU isn't going to land many 5 star guys, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want them, which also means that to me that, like Nick Saban, I would prefer a roster full of 5 star guys, which also means that contrary to what you earlier stated, stars actually do mean shit.

Well thanks for learning me up there.

I too would like a roster full of 5 star players. What a shit hole we are saddled with. Might as well start cutting myself right now.

[byu71]

So no LDS kids should go there. I assume you also don't shop at any stores or do business with any company that is run by persons who dislike mormons, on any grounds, but nonetheless take mormon money?

Here's some news: There are a lot of people, all over the social and political spectrum, who don't like Mormons. In the world but not of the world, right?

As far as recruiting goes, I would rather all the top LDS recruits go to BYU. But I cant find any basis to criticize a kid who wants to go to Stanford. There are a lot of good reasons to go to BYU, but there are also a lot of good reasons to go to Stanford, despite their stultifying hypocrisy on matters LDS.

I don't think I said a thing about what LDS kids should do. As a matter of fact your scholarship at BYU is worth x and one from Stanford is worth tons of X's. I think I have even said in the past that I would be hesitant to encougare one of my grandkids to go to BYU on the chance while really good kids, they could slip up. It happens. I really don't to worry though, HC violations in the minor sports don't make the papers.

I could be wrong, but I don't think in my 17 years of being on BYU boards have I criticized a kid for going somewhere else or questioned his character because he went somewhere else. For the record I don't consider someone who cares not to want to follow the honor code and thus not choose BYUY as having a character flaw.

[byu71]

Well thanks for learning me up there.

I too would like a roster full of 5 star players. What a shit hole we are saddled with. Might as well start cutting myself right now.

Don't do it. I can't tell you how much more I enjoy BYU sports now my expectations are where they should be. Bronco did a great job at coaching FB and I am sure Kalani will do well. Who knows, one year we might hit lightening in a bottle.

[creekster]

So if you believe what you said here:

They are major hypocrites. Recruit LDS kids, take money from LDS folks, etc. and if there were a vote on letting BYU in everyone knows they along with Cal. would vote NO. They dislike mormon values, but will take anything they can get from mormons.

Then what you said here doesn't make a lot of sense either as a position or as a response.

I don't think I said a thing about what LDS kids should do. As a matter of fact your scholarship at BYU is worth x and one from Stanford is worth tons of X's. I think I have even said in the past that I would be hesitant to encougare one of my grandkids to go to BYU on the chance while really good kids, they could slip up. It happens. I really don't to worry though, HC violations in the minor sports don't make the papers.

I could be wrong, but I don't think in my 17 years of being on BYU boards have I criticized a kid for going somewhere else or questioned his character because he went somewhere else. For the record I don't consider someone who cares not to want to follow the honor code and thus not choose BYUY as having a character flaw.

Or it could be that you just didnt really have a point?

[byu71]

So if you believe what you said here:



Then what you said here doesn't make a lot of sense either as a position or as a response.




Or it could be that you just didnt really have a point?

The "they" I was referring to was Stanford. If mormon kids and mormon money is good enough for them, why wouldn't BYU be good enough.

Could be, obviously you didn't think I had one.

[creekster]

The "they" I was referring to was Stanford. Could be, obviously you didn't think I had one.

Now I am just confused. Maybe I should try to get some more work done.

[byu71]

Now I am just confused. Maybe I should try to get some more work done.

Stanford is the hypocrite I was referring to. My work is done for today. It really was quite boring today.

I will reread the post later. Maybe I can have a clearer mind and see where the confusion is generated. It could be me I freely admit.

[Shaka]

Academic standards is somewhat of a red herring outside of a few select programs like the service academies. Almost all schools (including BYU) will accept a highly ranked football player as long as he qualifies. The HC is a disadvantage but that is a different deal than "academic standards". The HC can be somewhat offset by BYU working with LDS players who want to serve missions because some (many?) coaches/programs will not allow it and it's part of the program at BYU.

Edit: To answer your question about rankings taking into account strength of schedule: Yes, those rankings do take SoS into account.

This is not true. BYU has academic standards for athletes that are much higher than mere qualifying. This is one of our biggest recruiting limitations.

[imanihonjin]

Well thanks for learning me up there.

I too would like a roster full of 5 star players. What a shit hole we are saddled with. Might as well start cutting myself right now.

Now I have no clue what your point is. Are you now concluding that stars do mean shit or are you still of the opinion that they don't?

I am not going to address the shit hole or cutting statements as that had nothing to do with the point I was making (just want to be clear so as not to cause another vacuum to occur).