Miami Sanctions coming today

[Sizzle]

SipiTau!!!

Im still not past the anger. A few annoyances about this latest punishment: Miami doesnt have to vacate any wins...nothing, not a single game. And if you add up scholarship reductions for Miami, Oregon, Boise State, and Ohio State, still less than for SC. All of those cases involved allegations of direct involvement on the school's part.

Haden has no stones.

Maybe I'm off in this as well, but wouldn't it serve the conference well to fight this for USC? It doesn't seem like this is a good thing for the Pac 12 to have their marque program (sorry HFN, it's true) punished and brought down. It's like BYU being down in 2003-2005 was bad for the MWC. Why doesn't the Pac step up and support the Trojans?

[All-American]

Maybe I'm off in this as well, but wouldn't it serve the conference well to fight this for USC? It doesn't seem like this is a good thing for the Pac 12 to have their marque program (sorry HFN, it's true) punished and brought down. It's like BYU being down in 2003-2005 was bad for the MWC. Why doesn't the Pac step up and support the Trojans?

Cui bono.

Oregon.

[Sizzle]

Cui bono.

Oregon.

For those not as smart as me who don't speak Latin:

[quote]Cui bono /kwiːˈboʊnoʊ/ "to whose benefit?", literally "as a benefit to whom?" is a Latin saying which is still used.[quote]

Doesn't it benefit Oregon if whomever they play in the CCG is ranked? And isn't it generally better if the bigger brands (ND, Ohio state, Michigan, Texas, Florida state, BYU, etc) are doing well?

[All-American]

[QUOTE=Sizzle;1035955]For those not as smart as me who don't speak Latin:

[quote]Cui bono /kwiːˈboʊnoʊ/ "to whose benefit?", literally "as a benefit to whom?" is a Latin saying which is still used.

Doesn't it benefit Oregon if whomever they play in the CCG is ranked? And isn't it generally better if the bigger brands (ND, Ohio state, Michigan, Texas, Florida state, BYU, etc) are doing well?

A little more context. The saying comes to us via Cicero, who told the story of a judge who, when charge with the task of identifying a culprit, would ask who benefited as a result of the misdeed ("cui bono fuisset").

The question isn't who would benefit from having a strong SC. The question is who would benefit from the power vacuum that would result if SC fell from its perch head and shoulders above the rest of the conference.

So who benefited the most from SC's decline? Clearly, Oregon, with Stanford and UCLA following close behind.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Maybe I'm off in this as well, but wouldn't it serve the conference well to fight this for USC? It doesn't seem like this is a good thing for the Pac 12 to have their marque program (sorry HFN, it's true) punished and brought down. It's like BYU being down in 2003-2005 was bad for the MWC. Why doesn't the Pac step up and support the Trojans?

Southern Cal is the marquee team in the Pac 12, and one of the 2-3 marquee teams in the history of college football. I believe I am on record here as saying I thought the sanctions were ridiculous and over the top and wish it would have been different. I disagree with All-American, who has shown many times previously to be a somewhat typical BYU fan who hates Oregon presumably still dating back to Ngata or some other similarly silly reason, Oregon was on the rise before sanctions. In fact Chip put what was the worst beating Southern Cal had ever received on Pete and Matt Barkley. Oregon was trending upward before sanctions and Chip was a special coach that didn't really take talent from Southern Cal, DAT obviously excluded.

Maybe some Duck/Cardinal/Bruin fans are glad the Trojans are down and out right now. It makes me sad, thinking in a year like this when Oregon and Southern Cal don't play, they could two bullet trains hurtling towards each other in a title game. P12 title game #2 vs #3? #2 vs. #4, #1 vs #2? Winner goes on to the title, that would be amazing. If Oregon can get there this year, playing ASU or UCLA doesn't mean as much.

[TripletDaddy]

I would agree with that. The SEC understands that its core strength is the perception (real or imagined) of power. Everyone wins with a stronger slate of teams, as losses hurt you less otherwise. I think that when sanctions came down, people weren't feeling too sorry for SC, 7 PAC titles, 3 heismans, and 3 chances to win a national title later. In fact, the entire country felt just fine with it. Nobody feels sorry when the giant is slayed. I get that (mike Garrett was right, he probably shouldn't have said it is all). Additionally, schools are wise to steer clear of toxic situations, and the SC sanctions were about as deadly as it comes.

As HFN has pointed out, this sort of myopic thinking is actually counter productive. Oregon more than any other team in the PAC over the last 7 years can appreciate the benefit of tougher conference schedules, as opposed to weak ones. I don't think Oregon is glad that sc is down. If anything, Oregon is glad that Stanford has risen to some power. look at Urban, still hasn't lost a single game and because of the perceived weakness of the conference, he will go undefeated for the second straight year and not play for the title.

Im not surprised that the morans in Westwood danced in the streets post sanctions. This is a fanbase that only goes to football games if Dan Guerrero buys them free pizza at the rose bowl. They run around in their underwear at night and park in handicapped oarking spots to avoid walking 2 blocks. They aren't playing for titles so they are less concerned with the overall strength of the conference.

Pat hadeN is the wild card in all of this. Why he doesn't do anything is beyond me. We already know that the NCAA is fighting tooth and nail to keep the McNair case sealed up...the same case where the NCAA was deemed to have acted "with malice." Haden wanted to play nice but for reasons unknown. What does SC have to lose? They can't get more sanctions. The NCAA clearly won't lift any of the punishment so there is no reason to be a good neighbor anymore.

[UVACoug]

The NCAA is a complete joke. The sanctions against Miami are ridiculously pathetic, but what is more pathetic is how the NCAA selectively enforces the rules against anyone but the SEC. The NCAA spent three years investigating Miami, only to come up with this silliness. How long did they investigate Auburn/Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel? It was one month for Auburn, and that was after acknowledging that Cam's father had demanded money from Mississippi State. The idea that that could have been resolved in a month is ludicrous. For Manziel, it took them a couple weeks.

[Surfah]

I would agree with that. The SEC understands that its core strength is the perception (real or imagined) of power. Everyone wins with a stronger slate of teams, as losses hurt you less otherwise. I think that when sanctions came down, people weren't feeling too sorry for SC, 7 PAC titles, 3 heismans, and 3 chances to win a national title later. In fact, the entire country felt just fine with it. Nobody feels sorry when the giant is slayed. I get that (mike Garrett was right, he probably shouldn't have said it is all). Additionally, schools are wise to steer clear of toxic situations, and the SC sanctions were about as deadly as it comes.

As HFN has pointed out, this sort of myopic thinking is actually counter productive. Oregon more than any other team in the PAC over the last 7 years can appreciate the benefit of tougher conference schedules, as opposed to weak ones. I don't think Oregon is glad that sc is down. If anything, Oregon is glad that Stanford has risen to some power. look at Urban, still hasn't lost a single game and because of the perceived weakness of the conference, he will go undefeated for the second straight year and not play for the title.

Im not surprised that the morans in Westwood danced in the streets post sanctions. This is a fanbase that only goes to football games if Dan Guerrero buys them free pizza at the rose bowl. They run around in their underwear at night and park in handicapped oarking spots to avoid walking 2 blocks. They aren't playing for titles so they are less concerned with the overall strength of the conference.

Pat hadeN is the wild card in all of this. Why he doesn't do anything is beyond me. We already know that the NCAA is fighting tooth and nail to keep the McNair case sealed up...the same case where the NCAA was deemed to have acted "with malice." Haden wanted to play nice but for reasons unknown. What does SC have to lose? They can't get more sanctions. The NCAA clearly won't lift any of the punishment so there is no reason to be a good neighbor anymore.

I wonder if it had anything to do with his new position on the playoff selection committee.

[Vic Vega]

I wonder if it had anything to do with his new position on the playoff selection committee.

Boom. Now the pieces are falling into place.

At the time I thought the USC sanctions would be the start of a new NCAA with teeth. An NCAA that cared about the rules. Hahaha. I got a little optimistic and USC got screwed.

I am going to buy The System now. I am curious about how Miami got a small hand slap after what looked like the worst violations in my lifetime. The article about Miami made it look very clear payment to athletes was in the open for a long time in Miami.

[All-American]

Southern Cal is the marquee team in the Pac 12, and one of the 2-3 marquee teams in the history of college football. I believe I am on record here as saying I thought the sanctions were ridiculous and over the top and wish it would have been different. I disagree with All-American, who has shown many times previously to be a somewhat typical BYU fan who hates Oregon presumably still dating back to Ngata or some other similarly silly reason, Oregon was on the rise before sanctions. In fact Chip put what was the worst beating Southern Cal had ever received on Pete and Matt Barkley. Oregon was trending upward before sanctions and Chip was a special coach that didn't really take talent from Southern Cal, DAT obviously excluded.

Maybe some Duck/Cardinal/Bruin fans are glad the Trojans are down and out right now. It makes me sad, thinking in a year like this when Oregon and Southern Cal don't play, they could two bullet trains hurtling towards each other in a title game. P12 title game #2 vs #3? #2 vs. #4, #1 vs #2? Winner goes on to the title, that would be amazing. If Oregon can get there this year, playing ASU or UCLA doesn't mean as much.

It had actually been a long time since I've thought about Ngata going to Oregon. I'm far more indifferent about Oregon than anything else. To the extent that I don't like them, it's because I think their uniform schtick is silly.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

It had actually been a long time since I've thought about Ngata going to Oregon. I'm far more indifferent about Oregon than anything else. To the extent that I don't like them, it's because I think their uniform schtick is silly.

Oh well. Better to be a top 5 team with a schtick that everyone copies, than have no schtick and nobody even knows you exist.

[Surfah]

Oh well. Better to be a top 5 team with a schtick that everyone copies, than have no schtick and nobody even knows you exist.

I wish teams would stop copying. Especially Maryland.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I wish teams would stop copying. Especially Maryland.

People copy success, that's basically the entire history of the world in short form.

[cougjunkie]

People copy success, that's basically the entire history of the world in short form.

What success are people copying? How many national titles has Oregon won?

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[Surfah]

What success are people copying? How many national titles has Oregon won?

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I think he meant Kevin Plank trying to buy Maryland success like Phil Knight.