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  • Originally posted by SoCalCoug View Post
    Draftniks (non BYU fans) are starting to look at Ziggy as a top 15 pick. Again, these are not blue-goggled BYU fans. These are NFL fans who are following the draft.

    http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...t=54004&page=4
    Interesting site. I had never watched this highlight video before. Ziggy, blowing up BSU's fake punt, was one of my favorite plays of this year.

    [YOUTUBE]z-JxQlaxBHU[/YOUTUBE]

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    • Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
      It's always fun when projections run roughshod over production.
      You're more comfortable with listing out the stats, ranking players that way, and then going down the list - I get that you're a stats guy.

      Don't get me wrong-I think it's important to see how productive guys are - given the circumstances.

      But sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Ziggy is one of those.
      If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong.

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      • Originally posted by SoCalCoug View Post
        You're more comfortable with listing out the stats, ranking players that way, and then going down the list - I get that you're a stats guy.

        Don't get me wrong-I think it's important to see how productive guys are - given the circumstances.

        But sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Ziggy is one of those.
        Anytime someone that hasn't put up the production gets into the top half of the 1st round of a draft, you simply have to shake your head. That doesn't mean I think that Ziggy doesn't have an NFL future, but high 1st round picks are expected to contribute right away (with QBs as only a partial exception) and I don't see Ziggy as an immediate, high impact player.

        2nd round or 3rd round? Probably. 1st round? Doubtful.
        Everything in life is an approximation.

        http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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        • I have no idea how good these guy are or are not at projecting draft position and/or NFL success. However, Tackle seems to be someone the other posters on that board respect. Here is what he says about EA:

          The more I watch this guy, the more I come away thinking this guy is really ******* good. Just such a complete package and is far more advanced his technique and awareness than a guy with his experience should be. Not trying to be too hyperbolic but I can't help but think that he is cut from the JPP/Aldon cloth and he's likely faster than both. His ceiling is as high or higher than any player, regardless of position in this draft and because of that, I really think there's a good chance that Ziggy establishes himself as one of the elite defensive talents in this draft. If I'm a 4-3 team picking in the top 10 and need a DE, he's on the short list.

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          • Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
            Anytime someone that hasn't put up the production gets into the top half of the 1st round of a draft, you simply have to shake your head. That doesn't mean I think that Ziggy doesn't have an NFL future, but high 1st round picks are expected to contribute right away (with QBs as only a partial exception) and I don't see Ziggy as an immediate, high impact player.

            2nd round or 3rd round? Probably. 1st round? Doubtful.
            Teams are always drafting these types of guys on their potential.

            I think Kwame Brown is still getting by on potential in the NBA, a decade in.
            Will donate kidney for B12 membership.

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            • Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
              Anytime someone that hasn't put up the production gets into the top half of the 1st round of a draft, you simply have to shake your head. That doesn't mean I think that Ziggy doesn't have an NFL future, but high 1st round picks are expected to contribute right away (with QBs as only a partial exception) and I don't see Ziggy as an immediate, high impact player.

              2nd round or 3rd round? Probably. 1st round? Doubtful.
              Different sport but think Russell Westbrook. Potential over production worked out pretty well for OKC.

              Ziggy will similarly make a team very happy.

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              • Originally posted by wapiti View Post
                Different sport but think Russell Westbrook. Potential over production worked out pretty well for OKC.

                Ziggy will similarly make a team very happy.
                Basketball is a completely different animal than football when it comes to the draft.
                Everything in life is an approximation.

                http://twitter.com/CougarStats

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                • Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                  Basketball is a completely different animal than football when it comes to the draft.
                  Agreed. Basketball is much less predicable. The percentage of NFL vs NBA 1st rounders who start and contribute is much higher.

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                  • Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                    Agreed. Basketball is much less predicable. The percentage of NFL vs NBA 1st rounders who start and contribute is much higher.
                    Spoken like a true Portland Jail Blazer fan
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                    • Originally posted by FN Phat View Post
                      Spoken like a true Portland Jail Blazer fan
                      EXACTLY!!! Though Lillard is providing some healing balm to the Rose City this year.

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                      • Originally posted by The_Douger View Post
                        Teams are always drafting these types of guys on their potential.

                        I think Kwame Brown is still getting by on potential in the NBA, a decade in.
                        Vernon Gholston, Mike Mamula and Courtney Brown are good examples of workout warriors not working out.

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                        • Originally posted by RC Vikings View Post
                          Vernon Gholston, Mike Mamula and Courtney Brown are good examples of workout warriors not working out.
                          I don't recall Vernon at all. Courtney was truly a bust. Mamula was much like the Boz, once the steroid testing became more stringent, in the NFL vs. college, not surprisingly he was pretty mediocre.

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                          • Ziggy's "Official" highlight reel; whatever that means.

                            [YOUTUBE]Bg2X0yktczc[/YOUTUBE]
                            Last edited by Art Vandelay; 12-10-2012, 04:13 PM.

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                            • It's just not fair that we only got one year to enjoy this kid.
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                              • Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                                Ziggy's "Official" highlights reel; whatever that means.

                                [YOUTUBE]Bg2X0yktczc[/YOUTUBE]
                                I don't know what it means either, but that was awesome.
                                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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