All Good Things Must Come to An End

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Apparently, SeattleUte is.

I'll go out on a limb and say a loss to Utah State doesn't portend success against USC, UCLA, etc. Of course to be fair, I'm not even sure SU is aware that Utah lost to Utah State.

[il Padrino Ute]

This is why I care about the NFL so much more than college football. BYU and Utah essentially have the same destination -- some mid-tier to crappy bowl. Games between the two still hold intrigue for me and I'll of course continue cheering for BYU, but this is not something I obsess over when I had more time on my hands 10 years ago.

I trust that most of the Utah fans on here aren't deluding themselves on winning the Pac 12 South. They hope for it, but those first two conference losses will make the inevitable quite clear.

In the NFL, you have the potential for playoffs even with a few losses. And even if a team is struggling through a .500 season, you're still interested to see the young players develop and hope for the future. The reality in college football is much more stark -- only a handful of programs can truly compete for the grand prize and only once in a bluemoon are one of those programs BYU or Utah.

I'm not one who is delusional enough to think that Utah will win the PAC12 South every year. If they can do it once ever 5 years or so, that would be more than I could ever ask for. Realistically, I think it's more of a once a decade thing.

That said, the positive for Utah being in the PAC12 is that the Utes can say that they are not automatically excluded from a BCS game - or a fake national championship - before the season starts. Unlike the non-BCS teams, Utah has a chance, albeit it a rather slim chance. Teams not in one of the big 6 conferences are immediately eliminated from the fake championship before the first game of the season and have to go undefeated in order to get a sniff from the BCS bowls.

[The_Douger]

I'm not one who is delusional enough to think that Utah will win the PAC12 South every year. If they can do it once ever 5 years or so, that would be more than I could ever ask for. Realistically, I think it's more of a once a decade thing.

That said, the positive for Utah being in the PAC12 is that the Utes can say that they are not automatically excluded from a BCS game - or a fake national championship - before the season starts. Unlike the non-BCS teams, Utah has a chance, albeit it a rather slim chance. Teams not in one of the big 6 conferences are immediately eliminated from the fake championship before the first game of the season and have to go undefeated in order to get a sniff from the BCS bowls.

See, that's the nice part. You don't get to start the year with a fake loss that never happened just because of the league you play in.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I don't expect the fans to get it. I've just heard several times over the past 2 years that Utah is above this and doesn't care and has moved on to other things. Then you see how the MUSS and fans act and whatnot and can clearly see that's not the case.

I don't expect Utah to throw us a bone either. I always snicker when Holmoe gets up there and talks about how good of friends the two are. I don't believe that for one second. I would be sick of hearing from Tom Holmoe if I was Chris Hill.

I completely get it. Despite it being a great game, if he can kill off BYU right now while Indy is in it's infancy, they can take their spot as the premier program in Utah and never look back. It's happening as we speak.

Imagine if you lived at home with your parents while you were in college. These should be the best years of your lives and instead nothing's changed, you're still watching syndicated reruns of Alf on KJZZ every night while mom is getting dinner ready. You need an outlet to strike back against the bourgeoise at least once in awhile and that's the Utah vs. BYU game. This is why that game will always mean more to those people.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I'm not one who is delusional enough to think that Utah will win the PAC12 South every year. If they can do it once ever 5 years or so, that would be more than I could ever ask for. Realistically, I think it's more of a once a decade thing.

That said, the positive for Utah being in the PAC12 is that the Utes can say that they are not automatically excluded from a BCS game - or a fake national championship - before the season starts. Unlike the non-BCS teams, Utah has a chance, albeit it a rather slim chance. Teams not in one of the big 6 conferences are immediately eliminated from the fake championship before the first game of the season and have to go undefeated in order to get a sniff from the BCS bowls.

I think Utah had a better chance in the old Mountain West to appear in a BCS game. It was basically competing against two teams -- Boise and TCU -- every year to appear in a BCS game. Now it's competing against the rest of the Pac 10.

[il Padrino Ute]

I think Utah had a better chance in the old Mountain West to appear in a BCS game. It was basically competing against two teams -- Boise and TCU -- every year to appear in a BCS game. Now it's competing against the rest of the Pac 10.

I'd agree except that Utah - or Boise or TCU or BYU - still have to go undefeated in order to get into a BCS bowl game. Granted, it's easier to go undefeated in the MWC than the PAC12, but one loss will eliminate the non-BCS teams.

The planets could align and Utah have a terrific season and end up with only one loss and be in a BCS game. They could go undefeated, lose in the PAC12 championship game and still get into a BCS game. Or they could lose one game in conference play, get into the conference championship game, win that and be in a BCS game. Or, less likely, they could go undefeated, win the conference championship game and go to the fake national championship.

That's not going to happen in the MWC.

[SeattleUte]

I'm done with this thread. The stench of defeatism is unbearable.

[creekster]

I'm done with this thread. The stench of defeatism is unbearable.

Then take a shower and have a nap. You'll be better in the morning.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

I'd agree except that Utah - or Boise or TCU or BYU - still have to go undefeated in order to get into a BCS bowl game. Granted, it's easier to go undefeated in the MWC than the PAC12, but one loss will eliminate the non-BCS teams.

The planets could align and Utah have a terrific season and end up with only one loss and be in a BCS game. They could go undefeated, lose in the PAC12 championship game and still get into a BCS game. Or they could lose one game in conference play, get into the conference championship game, win that and be in a BCS game. Or, less likely, they could go undefeated, win the conference championship game and go to the fake national championship.

That's not going to happen in the MWC.

If you go undefeated in the Pac 10, you have a pretty good chance at the national title. You don't really have a shot at that outside a BCS conference. I also think it's easier to go undefeated in the MWC than to only have one loss in the Pac 10.

But going to a BCS game once every 5 years or so pales in comparison to being in a bigtime conference. Let's face it, every bowl outside the national championship game (and whatever +1 games we're talking about now) is a really nice NIT game. If you're playing the likes of New Mexico and Wyoming every year to get there once every 5 years, then it's kind of lame compared to regularly playing USC or Oregon. The trade off in my mind is quite clear -- I'd rather trade the huge upgrade in the regular season schedule than a BCS bowl game twice a decade.

[il Padrino Ute]

I'm done with this thread. The stench of defeatism is unbearable.

I'm starting to understand why some here think you're funny. They're laughing at you, not with you.

[il Padrino Ute]

If you go undefeated in the Pac 10, you have a pretty good chance at the national title. You don't really have a shot at that outside a BCS conference. I also think it's easier to go undefeated in the MWC than to only have one loss in the Pac 10.

But going to a BCS game once every 5 years or so pales in comparison to being in a bigtime conference. Let's face it, every bowl outside the national championship game (and whatever +1 games we're talking about now) is a really nice NIT game. If you're playing the likes of New Mexico and Wyoming every year to get there once every 5 years, then it's kind of lame compared to regularly playing USC or Oregon. The trade off in my mind is quite clear -- I'd rather trade the huge upgrade in the regular season schedule than a BCS bowl game twice a decade.

I understand what you're saying about the competition. My point is just that one of the benefits for a great season in the PAC12 is playing in a bowl game that is significant and there are less hoops that the team has to jump through.

The easiest path would be the Big East. Go 7-5, but win the conference and you're in.

[Paperback Writer]

BYU is doing it to themselves as much as anything. Quick story:

Jared Afalava - LB (Bingham High product) was being recruited heavily by BYU last year. He had offers from Utah, Oregon (his cousin plays there), Hawaii and a few others. Just before the High School summer camp at BYU he gave an interview and was asked his top 3. He said Oregon, Utah and of course BYU. A couple weeks later he went to BYU's camp, and on day two was told to leave because of what he said in the interview. They told him they didn't want anyone who wasn't 100% committed to BYU, that they should be the only school on his list. If that's not arrogance I don't know what is. You know his sister plays volleyball for the Cougars... and his parents desperately wanted him to go there.

BTW, he signed with Nebraska and is red-shirting this season.

Chase Peterson from Lone Peak only wanted a chance at QB and was told no. That's why he's on Utah's campus today.

Utah has a knack for taking good athletes with excellent potential and fitting them into the system. BYU tries to recruit for the system and lets pieces fall where they may. They're idiots for letting recruits like Afalava and Hansen escape.

There's most likely more to the story of Jared Afalava not signing with BYU and signing with Nebraska. For one thing, Afalava was not cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse to play. He is now eligible to play for Nebraska and that is the reason he grayshirted and is now redshirting - he wasn't allowed to suit up and play until recently.

[YOhio]

I'm done with this thread. The stench of defeatism is unbearable.

I agree. Makes me sick.

[SeattleUte]

I'm starting to understand why some here think you're funny. They're laughing at you, not with you.

WAAAAA! Don't respond to my posts any more. I'm too big a wuss. Lebowski tell him to stop. Sniff sniff.

[YOhio]

WAAAAA! Don't respond to my posts any more. I'm too big a wuss. Lebowski tell him to stop. Sniff sniff.

Don't let him get under your skin like that, man. Besides, JL doesn't do force ignores here.