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  • jay santos
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 13652

    #2071
    Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
    I don't think that anyone around here is saying that Bronco and Doman are bad guys.

    But it does give one pause when you hear/read this convoluted description of the sequence of events. Was a QB draw called at any point? If so, that's a mistake. One could argue that it's an understandable mistake (as Shaka seems to), and I think the BYU staff would be wise to do so.

    At the least it's bad optics to insinuate at all that the injured player was at fault for the play call. The coaches should shoulder the blame, maybe talk about some changes to their end-of-game coaching alignment (like someone said, programs have GAs who function as the "clock guy").

    It's bizarre that after a full weekend of having time to address the play calling and Hill's injury, that the narrative is what it is. It would be one thing if these comments were made right after the game, but they had two days to get their story straight and approach the issue in a circumspect way.
    More than calling a running play when the game is cinched, a more serious lack of judgment and poor taste is to use the word "optics" to refer to how a situation looks.

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    • New Mexican Disaster
      Suomalainen
      • Nov 2008
      • 4549

      #2072
      Originally posted by Tone Loc View Post
      Those are terrible excuses. After their second first down the game clock was running with about 1:35 left and 30 on the play clock. They sat in the huddle looking to the sideline for a good 15 seconds. There is no excuse good enough to not have your first and only call to take a knee. This might be one of the biggest blunders I have ever seen in coaching, all because they injured a kid with so much athletic ability in the process.

      Even before they got the ball, Doman should have done the math and figured out what needs to happen to win the game, how many timeouts they have left, etc. That is a quick calculation.

      I can't give them a pass on this one, there is way too much collateral damage. You don't get a pass when you ruin a kids knee on a boneheaded error that was easily avoided.
      This is not to even mention the fact that the previous option play was an unnecessary risk and should have been taking a knee.

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      • San Juan Sun
        Kicked to the curb
        • Dec 2009
        • 9214

        #2073
        Originally posted by jay santos View Post
        More than calling a running play when the game is cinched, a more serious lack of judgment and poor taste is to use the word "optics" to refer to how a situation looks.
        That was substantive. Nice work.
        "Sure, I fought. I had to fight all my life just to survive. They were all against me. Tried every dirty trick to cut me down, but I beat the bastards and left them in the ditch."

        - Ty Cobb

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        • Coach McGuirk
          1
          • Nov 2008
          • 12109

          #2074
          I think I am most upset that we have lost 2 QBs this year and one of those is returning to start but not at 100%. This QB has not played a full season without getting hurt and still our coaching staff said that all (100%) of practice snaps went to the healing starter and it will be that way the remainder of the week.

          okay. I hope Lark gets in somehow and just kills it.

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          • Moliere
            One man.....one pie
            • Oct 2009
            • 27881

            #2075
            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            How many times did he run during the drive we scored, and how many carries did he have on drives where we didn't score?
            Going off of memory, the scoring drive was mostly Hill throwing to Hoffman.
            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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            • Top Ute
              Junior Member
              • May 2010
              • 2194

              #2076
              Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
              How much were you making when this happened to you?

              I'm all for giving people passes, and I've defended the coaches plenty of times. God knows I would not do a better job. But how many passes do they get? This is far from their first clock-management mistake. Beyond that, this is not what you expect at this level of football (in fact, I can't think of a single time when a team that had the game in hand actually ran a play instead of kneeling--maybe that time when UNLV went for a score, fumbled and had it run back for a TD?). Sure, you might have made that mistake, but nobody was paying you 500k+ to NOT make that kind of mistake. Add to this the false starts, the two point conversion, the no onside kick, the potential mismanagement of the QBs, and these coaches are getting harder and harder to defend. Doman seems like a good guy who was maybe given more than he could chew. Add a bishop calling to the mix (and the pressure to accept that calling--I really want to kick his SP in the nuts), and it's a lot on his plate. I feel bad for him. I hope he gets it worked out. But this has gotten ridiculous.
              Just so you know, it was actually UNLV that recovered the fumble and ran it back 100 yards for a touchdown. It was Baylor that was trying to rub it in with an extra touchdown.



              And of course, there's the Miracle in the Meadowlands. This is Football 101 when it comes to the lesson of Why You Should Take a Knee.

              [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_the_Meadowlands"]Miracle at the Meadowlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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              • MarkGrace
                Grooveshark dick tease
                • Dec 2008
                • 31546

                #2077
                PK Interview with Lark on 1280 this morning
                Per Lark (PK was fishing for him to vent about being demoted from #2 to #3):

                Lark said he practiced as #1 all week prepping for the Yewtah game because of Riley's back. He was thinking all week he would start, then was told on Friday Riley would go but to be ready to play. Then on Monday he was told he is #3 and Taysom is #2.

                Seems really weird that all of that happened without Lark stepping onto the field during an actual game.

                On a positive note, Lark seems level headed, said it was hard to take but he is not a quitter and is preparing everyday incase the team needs him.
                http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=9370735

                Our QB situation since Doman took over as OC.
                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                • TripletDaddy
                  sweet triple
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 58186

                  #2078
                  Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                  How much were you making when this happened to you?

                  I'm all for giving people passes, and I've defended the coaches plenty of times. God knows I would not do a better job. But how many passes do they get? This is far from their first clock-management mistake. Beyond that, this is not what you expect at this level of football (in fact, I can't think of a single time when a team that had the game in hand actually ran a play instead of kneeling--maybe that time when UNLV went for a score, fumbled and had it run back for a TD?). Sure, you might have made that mistake, but nobody was paying you 500k+ to NOT make that kind of mistake. Add to this the false starts, the two point conversion, the no onside kick, the potential mismanagement of the QBs, and these coaches are getting harder and harder to defend. Doman seems like a good guy who was maybe given more than he could chew. Add a bishop calling to the mix (and the pressure to accept that calling--I really want to kick his SP in the nuts), and it's a lot on his plate. I feel bad for him. I hope he gets it worked out. But this has gotten ridiculous.
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                  • TexTechCoug
                    Carbonite
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 891

                    #2079
                    Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
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                    :fighton1: :usc:
                    Wow, what an amazing act of douche-baggery.

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                    • SoCalCoug
                      Ragnar Lodbrok Descendant
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 5214

                      #2080
                      Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                      How many times did he run during the drive we scored, and how many carries did he have on drives where we didn't score?
                      You already know the answer, don't you? Taysom had the same number of carries on the TD drive as ds7 has working brain cells: 0.
                      Last edited by SoCalCoug; 10-09-2012, 09:43 AM.
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                      • TripletDaddy
                        sweet triple
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 58186

                        #2081
                        Originally posted by TexTechCoug View Post
                        Wow, what an amazing act of douche-baggery.
                        Agreed. Why did he call the timeout?

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                        • USUC
                          Chronic Poseur
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 8793

                          #2082
                          The interview that Lark have last night just adds another layer of drama to this QB situation. He was groomed to play the Utah game, received first team reps, but then at the last second he is told Riley (who was clearly in no condition to play) will be starting. What the hell is going on?

                          Franchuck put it well:

                          But the fact Lark's clearly disturbed still by what occurred, it shows a lack of communication. Doman wasn't forthright with him. Just like Nelson wasn't forthright with coaches. And coaches, even with time on their side, couldn't relay the right message to Hill in a succinct amount of time.
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                          • TripletDaddy
                            sweet triple
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 58186

                            #2083
                            Perhaps there was a miscommunication between Doman and Lark. Doman gave Lark the "clock is rolling" hand signal, meaning, "the clock is rolling on your eligibility." Lark misinterpreted the hand signal to mean, "you are going to play next game."
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                            • lambdacoug
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 3981

                              #2084
                              Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                              Perhaps there was a miscommunication between Doman and Lark. Doman gave Lark the "clock is rolling" hand signal, meaning, "the clock is rolling on your eligibility." Lark misinterpreted the hand signal to mean, "you are going to play next game."
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                              • jay santos
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 13652

                                #2085
                                That sucks Doman got his future QB injured in a game by running him 19 times on series that resulted in no points against Utah State.

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