Penn State pedophilia

[Green Monstah]

No, actually he told the grand jury that he was told Sandusky was fondling or doing something sexual to a 10-year-old boy in the shower. Page 7, paragraph 2 of the grand jury indictment.

Thanks. JoPa's a scumbag. I recant my previous ten posts. What a dumbfuck.

[Green Monstah]

Of course he should have done something. But he didn't. It was high stress. People react weirdly.

Even if he was beating around the bush when he told JoPa, I would bet a ton of money that he conveyed enough to set off enough alarms that JoPa should have gone to the police.

See my message above.

Unbelieveable.

[SoCalCoug]

No, actually Paterno told the grand jury that he was told Sandusky was fondling or doing something sexual to a 10-year-old boy in the shower. Page 7, paragraph 2 of the grand jury indictment.

And even that, I'm sure is a result of Paterno watering it down enough to try to make himself not sound like a complete monster, but still not be on the hook for perjury.

I think there's little doubt Paterno was told Sandusky was having sex with a 10-year-old boy in the shower.

[Green Monstah]

And even that, I'm sure is a result of Paterno watering it down enough to try to make himself not sound like a complete monster, but still not be on the hook for perjury.

I think there's little doubt Paterno was told Sandusky was having sex with a 10-year-old boy in the shower.

Absolutely despicable.

[Scorcho]

I can't help but think that the GA's father failed in this situation as well.

I can understand the GA feeling caught between a rock and a hard place. He's trying to land a spot on the staff, and has to snitch on a legendary former coach in the program. The father could have spared his son some of that responsibility. Let the GA report it to JoePa, and after a few weeks if nothing comes of it, the father needs to intercede, either to JoePA, the police or somewhere.

It's unbelievable that 4-5 individuals (or more) covered this up for nearly a decade.

[BoylenOver]

What are the potential legal rammifications for those involved with the cover-up/negligence? What are some potential charges that could be levied against the GA, his father, Paterno, etc (if any)?

[Paperback Writer]

Not to pile on, but Nebraska and Penn St. played a home and home in 02-03. I think they allowed about 700 yards rushing to Larry Johnson in '02. Before that, they played a fairly meaningful and famous game in 1983. You're on a roll today!

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data...hp?teamid=2514

Edit: The famous game was in 82.

I prefer to remember the 1983 "famous game". The kickoff classic where Nebraska rolled PSU 44-6 rather than the 24-27 1982 game where the refs handed the game to PSU on two controversial calls in the closing seconds that would not have held up in today's review system. But the last time Nebraska visited PSU in 2002 was not a good outcome for Nebraska.

Even if PSU students protest and don't attend the game, it will still be a sell out because Nebraska travels so well. I doubt too many PSU students hold to their principles of boycotting the game when offered a lot of cash for their ticket. If I remember correctly, the last time Nebraska visited PSU in 2002, it set the attendance record for the stadium and I think it's still the record. So it's not a game that's likely to have the stands half full.

[BoylenOver]

I prefer to remember the 1983 "famous game". The kickoff classic where Nebraska rolled PSU 44-6 rather than the 24-27 1982 game where the refs handed the game to PSU on two controversial calls in the closing seconds that would not have held up in today's review system. But the last time Nebraska visited PSU in 2002 was not a good outcome for Nebraska.

Even if PSU students protest and don't attend the game, it will still be a sell out because Nebraska travels so well. I doubt too many PSU students hold to their principles of boycotting the game when offered a lot of cash for their ticket. If I remember correctly, the last time Nebraska visited PSU in 2002, it set the attendance record for the stadium and I think it's still the record. So it's not a game that's likely to have the stands half full.

Especially with it also being senior day and now Paterno's last home game.

(I'm mostly confident that statement is factual)

[Hot Lunch]

I just can't believe GA didn't do something about it when he witnessed it, but dumbass called his dad, who told him to leave the building instead of protecting a child. GA may have beat around the bush and JoPa misunderstood the issue (he handled the rest of this situation like damn fool) JoPa desn't seem to be the most lucid individual, but admittedly, nine years worth of water had crossed under the JoPa bridge.

This is thing that I am having the hardest time with. Why in the world didn't that GA kick the living S*^@ out of Sandusky? How do you leave that kid in that situation and look at yourself in a mirror every day? I don't get it. Maybe this has been discussed, I haven't been following this thread much. This is hands down one of the worst things that has ever happened in Sports.

[Scorcho]

there were lots of rumors a few months ago that a major program was about to get busted. Most of us thought it might be Oregon with recruiting violations or could have been about Ohio State or Miami. I'm wondering if it might have been about this.

The investigation into Sandusky started in 2009.

[BoylenOver]

This is thing that I am having the hardest time with. Why in the world didn't that GA kick the living S*^@ out of Sandusky? How do you leave that kid in that situation and look at yourself in a mirror every day? I don't get it. Maybe this has been discussed, I haven't been following this thread much. This is hands down one of the worst things that has ever happened in Sports.

It's been discussed at points in this very thread: he's an unpaid assistant that walks in on a famous and influential man doing something very horrifying. He recognized what was going on, but who among us have ever encountered an act like that? It's easy to say "I would've kicked his ass, removed the child, and gone straight to the police", but chances are you would've done the same thing in McQuery's shoes.

But it should've been taken to the police within 24 hours, whether it's McQuery, his father, or Paterno.

[Pheidippides]

What are the potential legal rammifications for those involved with the cover-up/negligence? What are some potential charges that could be levied against the GA, his father, Paterno, etc (if any)?

Couple of things here. Many states - my own included - have affirmative reporting statutes. If you know about it you must report it to the police or proper authorities. In Texas you cannot absolve yourself by reporting up the chain. You must personally do it. Sounds like the law in PA was softer about it at the time, so there may be a loophole.

[creekster]

It's been discussed at points in this very thread: he's an unpaid assistant that walks in on a famous and influential man doing something very horrifying. He recognized what was going on, but who among us have ever encountered an act like that? It's easy to say "I would've kicked his ass, removed the child, and gone straight to the police", but chances are you would've done the same thing in McQuery's shoes.

But it should've been taken to the police within 24 hours, whether it's McQuery, his father, or Paterno.

I disagree. You dont have to assault the perp. You just have to stand there and make sure the kid is removed from the situation. There is no explanation this perp could give, absoultely none, that could persuade any rational person that this kid should be left in his company. You get the kid the hell out and then figure out where the chips fall. I just cant see it any other way.

[Pheidippides]

I disagree. You dont have to assault the perp. You just have to stand there and make sure the kid is removed from the situation. There is no explanation this perp could give, absoultely none, that could persuade any rational person that this kid should be left in his company. You get the kid the hell out and then figure out where the chips fall. I just cant see it any other way.

You don't have to. But nobody is going to blame you if you do. Beating the tar out of a guy who is the act of raping a kid is a completely reasonable response and I daresay meets most legal thresholds for allowable conduct.

But based on my estimation of pedophiles, simply walking in and asking him WTF would get him to stop.

[Jacob]

In what world do you call your father, leave the child with the perp and then wait a day to tell--not the police--but your boss, who is no longer the boss of the perp. Let's not assume that GA would have used good judgment in reporting it to JoPa; He clearly has horrific judgment.

?? Are you living in a black and white world? People do weird things when faced with very high stress situations. It was VERY poor judgement on his part to not go to the authorities. I'm sure he is regretting how he handled it.

It's been discussed at points in this very thread: he's an unpaid assistant that walks in on a famous and influential man doing something very horrifying. He recognized what was going on, but who among us have ever encountered an act like that? It's easy to say "I would've kicked his ass, removed the child, and gone straight to the police", but chances are you would've done the same thing in McQuery's shoes.

But it should've been taken to the police within 24 hours, whether it's McQuery, his father, or Paterno.

I agree with BO and Live here. I've heard so many people say how swiftly they'd react to bring justice upon the offender and save the boy. But that is mostly just big talk. We've seen time and time again that people are loathe to interfere when they witness something they perceive as wrong. When I first read the Grand Jury report, I thought the GA acted reasonably and so did Paterno. Based only on the fact presented in the indictment.

Yes. The GA should have taken more decicive action and punched Sandusky in the face, called the police, etc. And yes, Paterno should have insisted that his superiors took more action than they did. But they fulfilled their legal duties. They acted to prevent the incident from happening again. They failed in not taking the role of enforcer more upon themselves. I agree, they had more of a moral duty. But unless there are additional facts of Paterno or the GA sweeping Sandusky's actions under the rug, I'm fine with giving them the benefit of the doubt. I can't get in a rage over Paterno's failure to do more absent additional information that would have required it i.e. he knew of the 1998 investigation, he was always suspicious of Sandusky, he had heard other reports.

The Penn St administrators are rightfully being charged with crimes. They fulfilled neither any legal nor any moral duty. And for the President to come out after the indictment begame public and give such a strong statement in favor of the perjurers, is a great indictment on him, in my view. He knew more, as did they, and they are all just trying to save face now, and preserve their jobs and reputations. Too late for that.

What are the potential legal rammifications for those involved with the cover-up/negligence? What are some potential charges that could be levied against the GA, his father, Paterno, etc (if any)?

I've read that in Pennsylvania the legal duty is for an employee/witness of such an act it to report it to his superior. Both the GA and Paterno did. So did the janitor. Their supervisors failed. Paterno and GA are not going to be charged with anything.