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  • jay santos
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 13652

    #1081
    Originally posted by Flattop View Post
    I'm probably going to blow it with this post.

    If it is about building team unity (and I am not saying it isn't) then it is not necessary to do it in front of your opponent, even with your back turned. Of course the troops in Afghanistan did not do the Haka in front of the Taliban, or anywhere near them. Rather they did it on their own FOB or in the rear. It was actually an intelligence staff that did the Haka in the Stan.

    I first read about this in the August 2007 issue of Proceedings, the periodical of the U.S. Naval Institute. I posted a summary of the article at UF.N in September 2007 (link):



    I have no problem with BYU doing the Haka, but doing it on your rival's field might not be a particularly good idea. If it is about building team unity, it can be done anywhere, and therefore need not be done on an opponent's field.

    I have to say that I am a little bit uncomfortable with the likening of football to combat and war. I think calling football uniforms combat uniforms is stupid. I am not comfortable with "War Utah!" cries.

    I have read enough about war to know that it is ugly. It always has been ugly, and it always will be. There is no such thing as a good or clean war. Sometimes, however, there are just causes to fight for. In spite of the use of football terminology in combat, the two bear little resemblance.

    War is hell, football is not. It is well that war is so terrible or we would grow to fond of it. It is well that football is not terrible so we can be fond of it.
    lol

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    • Coach McGuirk
      1
      • Nov 2008
      • 12109

      #1082
      Something we can all enjoy,



      With all due respect to every other major rivalry in college football, none can touch the Holy War (though we're not supposed to call it that anymore) when it comes to close games, wild finishes and genuine old-fashioned hatred.
      Consider this: The past 24 games have been split 12-12. In the 14 games played since 1997, all but two have been decided by a single score, seven by three or fewer points. Two of the past six played went into overtime, and the outcome has been decided on the final play of the game the past two years. One year ago, BYU dominated for three quarters, gave up 17 points in the fourth quarter and had a potential winning field goal blocked as time expired.

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      • Jeff Lebowski
        Corporate lackey for Jesus
        • Nov 2008
        • 69784

        #1083
        I am going to admit it. That loss last year still hurts.

        That knee was down prior to the fumble!!!

        :swear:
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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        • Goatnapper'96
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 10927

          #1084
          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
          I am going to admit it. That loss last year still hurts.

          That knee was down prior to the fumble!!!

          :swear:
          It made me laugh that he finally got his first interception and then that happened. He should have run out of bounds. It was a comedy of errors and BYU did not deserve to win. However, in about 35 hours you should be feeling much better.
          Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
          -General George S. Patton

          I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
          -DOCTOR Wuap

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          • NorthwestUteFan
            אלוף
            • Oct 2010
            • 3384

            #1085
            Originally posted by byu71 View Post
            LaVelle had the luxory of have coaches that "had" grown.
            Who is hiring all these "ungrown" coaches? Doesn't Bronco hold the reigns on hiring HIS coaches, or is he being overruled? Lavell was smart to bring in highly experienced coaches rather than growing his own. (FTR Utah does the same thing, and I like the Chow/Davis hires because they are known commodities with long track records - likewise Roger French was an excellent hire by Lavell).

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            • Tone Loc
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2009
              • 475

              #1086
              Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
              It made me laugh that he finally got his first interception and then that happened. He should have run out of bounds. It was a comedy of errors and BYU did not deserve to win. However, in about 35 hours you should be feeling much better.
              It took about 4 bad breaks that went Utah's way for them to pull it out. Not sure how you can say BYU did not deserve to win. I guess the refs screwing up on the Bradley non-fumble, and a crazy bad bounce on a punt glancing off a BYU blocker = not deserving to win.

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              • Goatnapper'96
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 10927

                #1087
                Originally posted by Tone Loc View Post
                It took about 4 bad breaks that went Utah's way for them to pull it out. Not sure how you can say BYU did not deserve to win. I guess the refs screwing up on the Bradley non-fumble, and a crazy bad bounce on a punt glancing off a BYU blocker = not deserving to win.
                I blame Robert Anae being too predictable. I also blame him because if wasn't so predictable, then he would not have been fired and BYU would have beaten Texas because he would have been the OC instead of Brandon Doman. So essentially, if BYU had never hired Robert Anae they would not have lost a game since TCU last year and would still have Robert Anae as their OC!

                I think the poor blocking on the field goal is the biggest reason I thought BYU did not deserve to win. Well that and what the scoreboard said after the game.

                I fully expect BYU to win tomorrow. YOU WAKE HIS ASS UP WE GOIN TO WEEEN TOMORROW!
                Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                -General George S. Patton

                I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                -DOCTOR Wuap

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                • NorthwestUteFan
                  אלוף
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 3384

                  #1088
                  Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                  lol
                  So, you have no problem with comparisons between football and war? Be sure to vote for Mitt so we can go into Pakistan, Syria, and Iran. Come to think of it, voting for Santorum, Perry, Palin, or even Obama will yield much the same thing. We are screwed.

                  Doing the Haka was akin to dancing on the opponents' midfield logo. It was an idea whose time is over, but nobody who thinks about it objectively can deny that it would enrage a team for a visiting opponent to do it. Imagine if Florida State brought their Seminole Warrior to Cougar Stadium and threw a spear into the BYU logo or a stuffed cougar. Some may think it was no big deal, but others would be pissed.

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                  • Jeff Lebowski
                    Corporate lackey for Jesus
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 69784

                    #1089
                    Originally posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
                    So, you have no problem with comparisons between football and war? Be sure to vote for Mitt so we can go into Pakistan, Syria, and Iran. Come to think of it, voting for Santorum, Perry, Palin, or even Obama will yield much the same thing. We are screwed.

                    Doing the Haka was akin to dancing on the opponents' midfield logo. It was an idea whose time is over, but nobody who thinks about it objectively can deny that it would enrage a team for a visiting opponent to do it. Imagine if Florida State brought their Seminole Warrior to Cougar Stadium and threw a spear into the BYU logo or a stuffed cougar. Some may think it was no big deal, but others would be pissed.
                    lol.
                    "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                    "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                    "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                    • NorthwestUteFan
                      אלוף
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 3384

                      #1090
                      Watching Stanford at Arizona this weekend will be a fun test for Anae. I am interested to see if he has been able to improve the line and running backs.

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                      • Goatnapper'96
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10927

                        #1091
                        Originally posted by NorthwestUteFan View Post
                        Watching Stanford at Arizona this weekend will be a fun test for Anae. I am interested to see if he has been able to improve the line and running backs.
                        He will be too predictable.
                        Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                        -General George S. Patton

                        I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                        -DOCTOR Wuap

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                        • NorthwestUteFan
                          אלוף
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 3384

                          #1092
                          Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                          lol.
                          so you would be down with it? Cool, Utah can train the hawk to poop on the BYU logo before it flies away to the mountains for another month.

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                          • NorthwestUteFan
                            אלוף
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 3384

                            #1093
                            Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                            He will be too predictable.
                            That was one of my fears with Chow. He used to have an impressive quiver of passing plays, but only 3-4 predictable running plays.

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                            • drkennethnoisewater
                              Junior Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 15

                              #1094
                              Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                              He will be too predictable.
                              His three total starts for his offensive line are so predictable. I feel bad for him for that luck. And I feel bad that he has to work for the crazy-ass Stoops.

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                              • NorthwestUteFan
                                אלוף
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 3384

                                #1095
                                I look forward to Anae being predictable on Nov 5.

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