The Utah 2011 Football Thread

[cougjunkie]

Updated Bowl Projections
9-4 - Rose Bowl 100% Requires Utah beating Colo, ASU and UCLA losing & Utah beating the North Division winner on the road
8-5 - Alamo Bowl 50% Holiday Bowl 50% Requires Utah beating Colo, ASU and UCLA losing Depends on North Divsion 2nd place team in the fiesta bowl
8-4 - Holiday Bowl 60% (Need two BCS teams from conference
Alamo 35% Need two bcs conference teams and Ariz st to lose out
Sunbowl 3% (would require Wash to lose remaining games and two bcs pac12 teams)
7-5 - Sun Bowl 100%

100% to the Rose Bowl and to the Sun Bowl? I don't get these projections at all.

[SeattleUte]

100% to the Rose Bowl and to the Sun Bowl? I don't get these projections at all.

Agreed.

[Jarid in Cedar]

100% to the Rose Bowl and to the Sun Bowl? I don't get these projections at all.

IF we were to finish 9-4, we are Rose bowl bound(meaning 9th win was in CCG)

[cougjunkie]

Chow has many great accomplishments. Taking nothing away from the national titles and Heisman winners, finding a way to win Pac-12 games without a quarterback is dang impressive.

You are winning Pac-12 games over shitty teams. Every league has shitty teams and Utah has started the crappy part of their schedule.

Colorado, Arizona, Oregon State and Washington State are all bad teams. UCLA is not much better than the other four. Their average record is:

3.6-7.4.

UCLA is the only team with a winning record the other teams are not even close. On top of that UCLA only has a winning record because they played the shitty part of their schedule first. Congratulations Utah is a middle of the road Pac-12 team just like every one predicted. They have not exceeded expectations or underachieved. I guess being average is good for some people.

For all the crap BYU has received about their end of the season schedule they have actually played a tougher schedule than Utah.

Opponents winning percentage last 4 games for BYU: .454
Opponents winning percentage last 4 games for Utah: .333

Congrats on beating shitty teams you are supposed to beat.

On top of that BYU will probably get a better bowl opponent as well with either:

Houston (11-0)
Southern Miss (9-2)
Tulsa (8-3)

[cougjunkie]

IF we were to finish 9-4, we are Rose bowl bound(meaning 9th win was in CCG)

So it is a projection based on that record, not a projection based on the probability of it happening.

[Hot Lunch]

You are winning Pac-12 games over shitty teams. Every league has shitty teams and Utah has started the crappy part of their schedule.

Colorado, Arizona, Oregon State and Washington State are all bad teams. UCLA is not much better than the other four. Their average record is:

3.6-7.4.

UCLA is the only team with a winning record the other teams are not even close. On top of that UCLA only has a winning record because they played the shitty part of their schedule first. Congratulations Utah is a middle of the road Pac-12 team just like every one predicted. They have not exceeded expectations or underachieved. I guess being average is good for some people.

For all the crap BYU has received about their end of the season schedule they have actually played a tougher schedule than Utah.

Opponents winning percentage last 4 games for BYU: .454
Opponents winning percentage last 4 games for Utah: .333

Congrats on beating shitty teams you are supposed to beat.

On top of that BYU will probably get a better bowl opponent as well with either:

Houston (11-0)
Southern Miss (9-2)
Tulsa (8-3)

This is comparing apples to oranges. Utah is playing Pac-12 opponents, BYU is playing WAC opponents and TCU (which helps that number) with that winning percentage.

[Flattop]

This is a bizarre statement. Tearing down your quarterback to build up your team.

Calling Hays the better QB would be homeresque.

[cougjunkie]

This is comparing apples to oranges. Utah is playing Pac-12 opponents, BYU is playing WAC opponents and TCU (which helps that number) with that winning percentage.

How is it apples to oranges? Utah is playing Pac-12 opponents that are just as bad as those WAC opponents. The bottom of the Pac-12 is terrible if you don't want to look inside the conference then look at the OOC schedules of those teams:

Colorado:

@ Hawaii- L
Colorado State- W
@OSU- L

Washington State:
Idaho State- W
UNLV- W
@ San Diego State- L

Arizona
Northern Arizona- W
@ Oklahoma State- L
@ Lousiana-Lafayette- TBD

Oregon State
Sac State- L
BYU-L
@ Wisconsin-L

UCLA
@houston- L
San Jose State-W
Texas-L

Sorry but based on out of conference records these are middle to bottom tier MWC/WAC schools. No difference.

[Jarid in Cedar]

So it is a projection based on that record, not a projection based on the probability of it happening.

Yes.

[il Padrino Ute]

You are winning Pac-12 games over shitty teams. Every league has shitty teams and Utah has started the crappy part of their schedule.

Colorado, Arizona, Oregon State and Washington State are all bad teams. UCLA is not much better than the other four. Their average record is:

3.6-7.4.

UCLA is the only team with a winning record the other teams are not even close. On top of that UCLA only has a winning record because they played the shitty part of their schedule first. Congratulations Utah is a middle of the road Pac-12 team just like every one predicted. They have not exceeded expectations or underachieved. I guess being average is good for some people.

For all the crap BYU has received about their end of the season schedule they have actually played a tougher schedule than Utah.

Opponents winning percentage last 4 games for BYU: .454
Opponents winning percentage last 4 games for Utah: .333

Congrats on beating shitty teams you are supposed to beat.

On top of that BYU will probably get a better bowl opponent as well with either:

Houston (11-0)
Southern Miss (9-2)
Tulsa (8-3)

Your trolling is much more effective when it isn't tainted with envy.

[Hot Lunch]

How is it apples to oranges? Utah is playing Pac-12 opponents that are just as bad as those WAC opponents. The bottom of the Pac-12 is terrible if you don't want to look inside the conference then look at the OOC schedules of those teams:

Colorado:

@ Hawaii- L
Colorado State- W
@OSU- L

Washington State:
Idaho State- W
UNLV- W
@ San Diego State- L

Arizona
Northern Arizona- W
@ Oklahoma State- L
@ Lousiana-Lafayette- TBD

Oregon State
Sac State- L
BYU-L
@ Wisconsin-L

UCLA
@houston- L
San Jose State-W
Texas-L

Sorry but based on out of conference records these are middle to bottom tier MWC/WAC schools. No difference.

Utah St. which is the 3rd place team in the WAC, lost to Colorado St at home. Colorado (last place team in the PAC-12) beat CSU. These teams are not middle to bottom tier of the WAC.

[LA Ute]

Your trolling is much more effective when it isn't tainted with envy.

A fine new smiley fits in right here:

[MartyFunkhouser]

Your trolling is much more effective when it isn't tainted with envy.

I actually think he needs to take a break and have Surfah do work for him more often. Surfah's efforts on Saturday are much better than junkie's current efforts. I mean really, arguing that BYU's SOS is better than Utah's? I expect better from junkie. Good trolling at least needs some small amount of truth to it.

[Flattop]

You are winning Pac-12 games over shitty teams. Every league has shitty teams and Utah has started the crappy part of their schedule.

Colorado, Arizona, Oregon State and Washington State are all bad teams. UCLA is not much better than the other four. Their average record is:

3.6-7.4.

UCLA is the only team with a winning record the other teams are not even close. On top of that UCLA only has a winning record because they played the shitty part of their schedule first. Congratulations Utah is a middle of the road Pac-12 team just like every one predicted. They have not exceeded expectations or underachieved. I guess being average is good for some people.

For all the crap BYU has received about their end of the season schedule they have actually played a tougher schedule than Utah.

Opponents winning percentage last 4 games for BYU: .454
Opponents winning percentage last 4 games for Utah: .333

Congrats on beating shitty teams you are supposed to beat.

On top of that BYU will probably get a better bowl opponent as well with either:

Houston (11-0)
Southern Miss (9-2)
Tulsa (8-3)

Utah SOS: 67
BYU SOS: 87

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/current_congrove_rankings.html

Utah SOS: 33
BYU SOS: 71

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team

Or

Utah SOS: 76
BYU SOS: 113

http://www.gberatings.com/sos/

Yes, Utah is in the weaker part of their schedule, but four weeks ago there was some concern on whether Utah would win more than one or two games in the Pac-12 this year.

[cougjunkie]

Utah St. which is the 3rd place team in the WAC, lost to Colorado St at home. Colorado (last place team in the PAC-12) beat CSU. This is an apples to oranges comparison.

Don't go with the common opponent thing because UCLA was waxed at home by Texas which only beat BYU by 1 point at home.

Oregon State lost at home to BYU and Sac State yet has Pac-12 wins over Arizona, Washington State and Washington (a team that crushed Utah).

Washington State lost at SDSU a team that lost at home to Wyoming. Wyoming lost 63-19 to that same Utah state team.

So Washington State is worse than SDSU, Wyoming and Utah State.