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  • First, I don't understand these fruity Downton Abbey avatars.

    Second, I believe there is some pretty solid correlation between # of university applications and the quality of the athletic programs. Obviously this doesn't work with places like Harvard and Cal Tech, but it definitely works if you're looking at Alabama vs. UAB. A lot of high school kids make their college decision based on the perceived quality of life and a winning athletic program contributes to that. Utah wants to win over more kids that are elementary, junior high and high school. If Utah is in the Pac 12 and BYU is slumming it as independent, there's potentially a pretty stark difference in the perceived strength of the athletic program and perhaps that is extension of the perceived quality of life on the campus.

    Marginalizing BYU is entirely within this strategy. I'm not saying, of course, that not scheduling BYU makes all the difference between Utah accepting its current C student riff raff and getting a student body approaching BYU's, but it certainly fits into a strategy of improving the athletic program in the hopes it improves the overall perception of the school as something beyond just a public commuter school.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    • Originally posted by jay santos View Post
      It's so odd how you attach feelings and emotions like hate to this.

      It's business. You have a chance to act in a way that gives you an advantage over your closest competitor, you take that action every time. There's no hatred involved.
      I hate it when you're logical like this.

      Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
      I'm not saying, of course, that not scheduling BYU makes all the difference between Utah accepting its current C student riff raff and getting a student body approaching BYU's, but it certainly fits into a strategy of improving the athletic program in the hopes it improves the overall perception of the school as something beyond just a public commuter school.


      Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
      First, I don't understand these fruity Downton Abbey avatars.
      Art is not to be understood. It is to be appreciated.
      Last edited by LA Ute; 01-18-2013, 05:38 PM.
      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
      ― W.H. Auden


      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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      • As some were talking about earlier about the U dropping BYU. I think it was a mistake for Hill to schedule Fresno State instead of a cupcake. I think his thinking was that Fresno State would be a good recruiting pipeline game being a H-H, but Fresno State is a good opponent. I'd rather have a couple one and dones with Texas State & FIU or Florida Atlantic instead of dropping BYU for Fresno.

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        • Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
          You're talking to a lawyer. We parse words for a living. (By the way, what do you mean by "difference?" )
          You are also talking to a lawyer. Like you, I bullshiz for a living.
          I think, perhaps, the only person who hates BYU fans more than ute fans hate BYU fans, is Bronco Mendenhall.
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          Menden Hall Hates Me.

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          • In order not to tick anyone off here more than I normally do, here's a link to a post in another thread relevant to my comments below about the U's plans for its brand. I don't want this thread to be threadjacked any further.
            Last edited by LA Ute; 01-22-2013, 11:20 AM.
            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
            ― W.H. Auden


            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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            • Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
              In order not to tick anyone off here more than I normally do, here's a link to a post in another thread relevant to my comments below about the U's plans for its brand. I don't want this thread to be threadjacked any further.
              wgas? Go away.

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              • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
                Go away.
                You don't really want me to do that.
                “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                ― W.H. Auden


                "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                • Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                  In order not to tick anyone off here more than I normally do, here's a link to a post in another thread relevant to my comments below about the U's plans for its brand. I don't want this thread to be threadjacked any further.
                  LOL, the football content comes from the BYU-Utah game.

                  Try again, Mr. Bates.
                  Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                  For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                  Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                  • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                    LOL, the football content comes from the BYU-Utah game.

                    Try again, Mr. Bates.
                    I think y'all should see that as a compliment.
                    “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                    ― W.H. Auden


                    "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                    -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                    "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                    --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                    • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
                      LOL, the football content comes from the BYU-Utah game.

                      Try again, Mr. Bates.
                      Yeah, we're on the same page.

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                      • Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                        In order not to tick anyone off here more than I normally do, here's a link to a post in another thread relevant to my comments below about the U's plans for its brand. I don't want this thread to be threadjacked any further.
                        I don't see how these two paths are mutually exclusive from one another. Are we really that paranoid of being likened to BYU that we absolutely must stop playing them in order to expand our own identity?

                        (LA, don't worry about hijacking a thread on BYU scheduling with the Utah perspective. It's going to be a front-and-center issue with BYU for the two years we don't play them)

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                        • Originally posted by Top Ute View Post
                          I don't see how these two paths are mutually exclusive from one another. Are we really that paranoid of being likened to BYU that we absolutely must stop playing them in order to expand our own identity?
                          I think it's just a matter of the "minuses" of playing BYU annually outweighing the "pluses." But as MBN notes, we blew BYU a kiss by including in our branding video some clips from the our third straight victory over their football team.
                          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                          ― W.H. Auden


                          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                          • Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                            I think it's just a matter of the "minuses" of playing BYU annually outweighing the "pluses." But as MBN notes, we blew BYU a kiss by including in our branding video some clips from the our third straight victory over their football team.
                            My kingdom for a field goal kicker.
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                            • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                              My kingdom for a field goal kicker.
                              Yes, the fact is that 2 of the last 3 rivalry games were decided on the last play of the game. That's the kind of thing I am going to miss.
                              “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                              ― W.H. Auden


                              "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                              -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                              "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                              --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                                My kingdom for a field goal kicker.
                                If we taught our players the difference between a live and dead ball on blocked kicks, it wouldn't matter if you had Sebasian Janikowski on your sideline

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