It's Offcial: 2 QB System

[Surfah]

Well all I can say is good luck. What was is the line on that game again? I think I will bet on it.

I don't get it. I'd much rather see one or the other. This is going to impede the development of our young receivers and TEs. And to a lesser degree but still significant one, our RBs. I don't understand why we don't take advantage of our OL and roll with Heaps and let him develop. He may get thrashed early, but from everything I have seen the kid has the moxie to take it. Hell if Beck could do it, certainly Heaps can. I hate the whole argument Bronco makes about how much Nelson has invested and put in as to why he's deserving. And that to bench him would ruin the culture he's put in there. Now, the results he's put out with this approach have been damn impressive, but the best talent needs to play.

[Goatnapper'96]

The only 2 QB system I can think of in the past that has even worked half ass is Chris Leake and Tebow at Florida. This seems a little desperate by Bronco.

Jenkins and Smith at U of A.

Not to mention Adam Thompson and Ronnie Mcada at Army in 1996!

BOOM BITCHES!

[Goatnapper'96]

Nothing to do with testicular fortitude. Hell, my nuts are the size of small watermelons. It has to do with, besides Florida circa '06, the failure rate of a two QB system being in the 90th percentile.

I think predicting a loss to AF, who is returning 0 OL, is a bit over the top and indicating a lack of intestinal fortitude. I am not an advocate of two qb systems but I don't think it is so dire that BYU is now an underdog to a team that hasn't played BYU within 2 tds since Gary Crowton was still a partial genius.

[Top Ute]

This will be interesting. My real impression is the two qb system is going to be less and less 2 qbs as the season progresses.

There will come a point in the season where it's apparent to the coaches it's not working. But I'm not sure the move to one QB will come immediately. I don't think you can throw Heaps to the wolves early and put the season on his shoulders (ask John Beck how that worked out for him as a freshman). I think Nevada is now the most important game on the schedule for BYU, because Nevada will score points. Will whomever BYU plays at QB be good enough to win a shootout?

I don't think 1 QB will be the reason BYU loses at FSU and splits with Washington/AFA. I suspect two QBs will be used against Nevada. If it works out and BYU wins, the two QB system will continue until proven otherwise (almost certainly until the TCU game, and BYU follows with its soft part of the schedule).

If it doesn't work against Nevada, BYU loses and the offense is out of synch (a major indictment against 2 QBs, given Nevada's shortcomings on defense), I suspect a permanent change to one QB (almost certainly Heaps) will take place starting with Utah State.

[MarkGrace]

I don't think 1 QB will be the reason BYU loses at FSU and splits with Washington/AFA.

Agree. I think we lose against UW and FSU and beat AF regardless of QB situation.

[KillerDog]

I think this is a ruse. I think Nelson is the guy and Heaps will have a series at some point in the game. If Heaps does well, we may continue to see him. I really think we see Nelson for most snaps this year.

[Coach McGuirk]

I am not an advocate of two qb systems but I don't think it is so dire that BYU is now an underdog to a team that hasn't played BYU within 2 tds since Gary Crowton was still a partial genius.

Yes, Back when BYU couldn't decide on a QB.

[jay santos]

I'm OK with it.

The old adage is if you have two QB's you have no QB's. But the reality is that if you're a week from the start of season and you're still trying to choose one, you don't have one anyway.

This seems like something I'd ordinarily be down on the coaches about, but I think it's the right thing--especially how their styles are so different.

[wally]

Is their details in how this 2 quarterback system is going to work? If they are splitting time equally during a game it will not be a good thing for BYU IMO. If Jake is the starter and Riley is going to play in certain situations I think it could work.

Halfback passes, double passes, reverse flea flicker dubble passes, the possibilities are limitless.

[Goatnapper'96]

There will come a point in the season where it's apparent to the coaches it's not working. But I'm not sure the move to one QB will come immediately. I don't think you can throw Heaps to the wolves early and put the season on his shoulders (ask John Beck how that worked out for him as a freshman). I think Nevada is now the most important game on the schedule for BYU, because Nevada will score points. Will whomever BYU plays at QB be good enough to win a shootout?

I don't think 1 QB will be the reason BYU loses at FSU and splits with Washington/AFA. I suspect two QBs will be used against Nevada. If it works out and BYU wins, the two QB system will continue until proven otherwise (almost certainly until the TCU game, and BYU follows with its soft part of the schedule).

If it doesn't work against Nevada, BYU loses and the offense is out of synch (a major indictment against 2 QBs, given Nevada's shortcomings on defense), I suspect a permanent change to one QB (almost certainly Heaps) will take place starting with Utah State.

The evidence of changing the offense for Nelson is my biggest indicator that perhaps Mendenhall is really intending to use this as anything more than a gradual easing of Heaps into the position. My real instinct is that Mendenhall just doesn't think Heaps is totally ready for it all yet and what is more likely than anything to facilitate a true starter is Heaps' development.

From what I can gather, Heaps got more reps and perhaps the reps for Nelson were more of a plan b idea if Heaps were to get injured once he becomes the man.

We shall see.

[Hot Lunch]

The only 2 QB system I can think of in the past that has even worked half ass is Chris Leake and Tebow at Florida. This seems a little desperate by Bronco.

It doesn't sound like Bronco is even going to use them how Florida did. Leake was the starter and everyone knew he was the starter. Tebow would get 15 plays a game during certain situations. If that was the approach Bronco had I think it could work. Splitting time equally doesn't work IMO.

[Goatnapper'96]

Yes, Back when BYU couldn't decide on a QB.

I would say the similarities between BYU of 2003 and this squad pretty much stop about right there, would you agree or disagree? Do you think BYU sucking that year had anything more to do than with the qb situation? I am still pretty comfortable that BYU 2010 will beat AF 2010.

IIRC, Beck played the whole game in 2003...it might have ruined his weekend.

[falafel]

Nothing to do with testicular fortitude. Hell, my nuts are the size of small watermelons. It has to do with, besides Florida circa '06, the failure rate of a two QB system being in the 90th percentile.

watermelons crack and splatter all over with one drop. I hope you considered that when you switched them out.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

It doesn't sound like Bronco is even going to use them how Florida did. Leake was the starter and everyone knew he was the starter. Tebow would get 15 plays a game during certain situations. If that was the approach Bronco had I think it could work. Splitting time equally doesn't work IMO.

Agreed. And one of the reasons splitting time hurts is because it means splitting practice time for as long as it goes on. And in this case, that will be even more detrimental because BYU is going to be practicing two very unique offensive schemes with Nelson and Heaps.

If the coaches feel that at some point this season Heaps is going to be their guy, then get him as many reps as possible, in game and in practice. Give Nelson a few sets that he'll get to utilize each game, but that way you limit the variation in practice.

[wally]

I think this is a ruse. I think Nelson is the guy and Heaps will have a series at some point in the game. If Heaps does well, we may continue to see him. I really think we see Nelson for most snaps this year.

If this is true, does this mean that the ruse is to keep Heaps from transfering?