Dear Tom Holmoe

[LA Ute]

There are consequences for every choice and a direct consequence of Utah's choice is that you are irrelevant.

In the words of a very wise man:

Oh, brother.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Let's be honest here for a moment. Nitpicking over Chris Hill's delivery at the press conference is kind of like complaining about some wrinkles in General MacArthur's slacks during the surrender ceremony in Tokyo Harbor. He could have spoken in Pig Latin and the outcome would still have been brilliant.

[YOhio]

Let's be honest here for a moment. Nitpicking over Chris Hill's delivery at the press conference is kind of like complaining about some wrinkles in General MacArthur's slacks during the surrender ceremony in Tokyo Harbor. He could have spoken in Pig Latin and the outcome would still have been brilliant.

Stop being a Ute sycophant.

[SeattleUte]

Let's be honest here for a moment. Nitpicking over Chris Hill's delivery at the press conference is kind of like complaining about some wrinkles in General MacArthur's slacks during the surrender ceremony in Tokyo Harbor. He could have spoken in Pig Latin and the outcome would still have been brilliant.

Good post.

[creekster]

Let's be honest here for a moment. Nitpicking over Chris Hill's delivery at the press conference is kind of like complaining about some wrinkles in General MacArthur's slacks during the surrender ceremony in Tokyo Harbor. He could have spoken in Pig Latin and the outcome would still have been brilliant.

what does this mean? Are you suggesting that Chris Hill engineered this outcome? Hardly. His influence was important because he oversaw the ascent of the Ute program, but under the circumstances as they existed in 2010, I don't think there is much Chris Hill could have done to avoid the offer from the PAC-10, let alone make it happen. You seem to be forgetting that the reason we are even talking about Hill's delivery is because people were accusing Holmoe of being incompetent based on his delivery. So if you are unhappy about this line of inquiry, take it up with SU. And as for this 'brilliant' outcome, Hill was more Chance the Gardener than he was Machiavelli.

[YOhio]

what does this mean? Are you suggesting that Chris Hill engineered this outcome? Hardly. His influence was important because he oversaw the ascent of the Ute program, but under the circumstances as they existed in 2010, I don't think there is much Chris Hill could have done to avoid the offer from the PAC-10, let alone make it happen. You seem to be forgetting that the reason we are even talking about Hill's delivery is because people were accusing Holmoe of being incompetent based on his delivery. So if you are unhappy about this line of inquiry, take it up with SU. And as for this 'brilliant' outcome, Hill was more Chance the Gardener than he was Machiavelli.

Greta psot.

[il Padrino Ute]

Greta psot.

Never heard of her.

[SeattleUte]

Greta psot.

lol

[SeattleUte]

what does this mean? Are you suggesting that Chris Hill engineered this outcome? Hardly. His influence was important because he oversaw the ascent of the Ute program, but under the circumstances as they existed in 2010, I don't think there is much Chris Hill could have done to avoid the offer from the PAC-10, let alone make it happen. You seem to be forgetting that the reason we are even talking about Hill's delivery is because people were accusing Holmoe of being incompetent based on his delivery. So if you are unhappy about this line of inquiry, take it up with SU. And as for this 'brilliant' outcome, Hill was more Chance the Gardener than he was Machiavelli.

lol Your best line ever. Greta pots.

[LA Ute]

what does this mean? Are you suggesting that Chris Hill engineered this outcome? Hardly. His influence was important because he oversaw the ascent of the Ute program, but under the circumstances as they existed in 2010, I don't think there is much Chris Hill could have done to avoid the offer from the PAC-10, let alone make it happen. You seem to be forgetting that the reason we are even talking about Hill's delivery is because people were accusing Holmoe of being incompetent based on his delivery. So if you are unhappy about this line of inquiry, take it up with SU. And as for this 'brilliant' outcome, Hill was more Chance the Gardener than he was Machiavelli.

This may be the most mistaken line ever placed in a post by an otherwise thoughtful poster. (Or I am spectacularly mistaken myself, which I doubt.)

Note to YOhio: Shut up.

[U-Ute]

Sorry. I don't buy that. I think even Dr. Hill is overrated compared to the coaches. AD's are mostly paper pushers.

But at least Hill hasn't been reduced to hiring the only available coach. He gets credit for hiring Majerus and Pope Urban. He probably had to hire Whit, but adroitly handled the bidding war with BYU. He may have had something to do with leveraging the Olympics to improve the Ute stadium. He has raised a lot of money, kept people like Huntsman loyal, without the benefit of church ties to the U of U. He didn't screw up the Pac 10 thing.

Holmoe seems like just a paper pusher, and a dishonest one (based on his recruiting violations at Cal).

Anyway, I really do think that Hill didn't make Utah's admission to the Pac 12 happen, any more than I think Homoe can will BYU's admission to the Big 12-2. He can only screw it up.

By far, the biggest job of an AD is to aquire funding. This is what Hill has really done at the U - he brought it back to life. Look no further than RES. Everyone believes that the Olympics bought it, but that isn't true. The stadium was in the works long before the Olympics came along. What it did was accelerate it by bringing in funds sooner. They have long paid those bonds off though with the funds that were going to build it in the long run anyway.

Plus, look at the new practice facility, baseball field, workout facilities.

What Dr. Hill really did was bring our athletic program up to the level of revenue that matched the top of our conference (BYU - who has been at this level since Saint LaVell). The coaching hires were part of that (everyone loves a winner), but the relationships he built in order to revive the athletic department is his stamp.

U-Ute

[U-Ute]

My feelings about Majerus are complex. I admire him so much, and I'm disgusted by him beyond belief.

Pretty much how most Ute fans feel about him. The cognitive dissonance is quite disturbing actually.

[Jeff Lebowski]

what does this mean? Are you suggesting that Chris Hill engineered this outcome? Hardly. His influence was important because he oversaw the ascent of the Ute program, but under the circumstances as they existed in 2010, I don't think there is much Chris Hill could have done to avoid the offer from the PAC-10, let alone make it happen. You seem to be forgetting that the reason we are even talking about Hill's delivery is because people were accusing Holmoe of being incompetent based on his delivery. So if you are unhappy about this line of inquiry, take it up with SU. And as for this 'brilliant' outcome, Hill was more Chance the Gardener than he was Machiavelli.

Actually, my reasoning is pretty simple. He is the AD (in his 24th year) for a program that just went from the MWC to the PAC. Anything short of "bravo" seems petty.

[U-Ute]

what does this mean? Are you suggesting that Chris Hill engineered this outcome? Hardly. His influence was important because he oversaw the ascent of the Ute program, but under the circumstances as they existed in 2010, I don't think there is much Chris Hill could have done to avoid the offer from the PAC-10, let alone make it happen. You seem to be forgetting that the reason we are even talking about Hill's delivery is because people were accusing Holmoe of being incompetent based on his delivery. So if you are unhappy about this line of inquiry, take it up with SU. And as for this 'brilliant' outcome, Hill was more Chance the Gardener than he was Machiavelli.

Before Chris Hill, the Utes had Lynn Archibald and Jim Fassel as coaches. The football team played in Rice Stadium, complete with wooden benches. The women's gymnastics team, the one that had won like 10 straight national championships at the time, practiced in one of the HPER gyms.

In short, we were only one step up from the likes of Wyoming and Colorado State. We wouldn't be on the PAC-10 radar if we were still Wyoming and Colorado State. He revived the athletic program at Utah, and built the relationships that would eventually pave the way to Utah moving to the PAC-10.

Could someone else have done it? I'm sure. The hurdle would have been luring someone to SLC in 1990 (pre-Olympics, pre-Jazz finals, BYU still in the glow of 1984) to do it. Was it a forgone conclusion? Absolutely not.

U-Ute

[creekster]

You people arent reading very carefully. I already stated he was important as he oversaw the ascent of the program. I get that. But say he had passed away suddenly in 2009, is there nay quesiton in your mind that just about anyone could have overseen what happened in 2010? Resurrection of the program? sure. Brilliant move to the PAC-10? nope, just right place at the right time.

ANd Lebowski, good shift. I am not beign critical of him, your origianl post was abotu the pettiness of criticizing his delivery. I merely pointed out that such criticism arose in a context you were ignoring.