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Originally posted by LA Ute
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LA Ute, thanks for bringing these back so we can set the NY Times straight. We finally get to see the truth of the college football world -- Marshall and Ohio have almost as much support as Oklahoma.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.” -
I must have missed it. What has been roundly mocked here? And what possible point could you have for posting one year's worth of bowl ratings in a discussion about program strength?Originally posted by LA Ute View PostComment
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knock it off. You had made so much progress recently. You are regressing quickly.Originally posted by LA Ute View PostFitter. Happier. More Productive.
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I laugh at anyone who takes seriously the results of this survey.Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostComment
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You're way off. It's 4-5 seasons of bowl ratings.Originally posted by jay santos View Post
In all honesty, here's what I've learned from the TV ratings --
People don't really give a shit about NIT bowls, except for the BCS bowls and a couple more of the New Year's day bowls (Cotton, Blockbuster/Outback/Capital One). You can't get great ratings with just the school's fans, it needs to attract the viewer who doesn't happen to have much interest in either school but is interested by the match-up itself. I don't care about any program in the SEC, but I sure as hell will watch the SEC Championship game.
This is why the bowl system is such a joke. We're basically watching a bunch of college football NIT games with the exception of a few of the games.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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Jacob said:Originally posted by jay santos View Post
I was just responding to that. Those TV ratings are the only data I know of about how many eyeballs certain teams draw to TV sets for college football games. I haven't even analyzed the numbers to see if they support Jacob's point or not. As I said, I don't even know if any conclusions can be drawn from them.Even more interesting is that B12 programs have a lot more fans--who watch TV--than P12 programs.
As for mocking, in the past when this has been posted, people on this board haven't seemed to like the data, probably because, on the surface at least, the numbers suggest that BYU doesn't draw a lot of television eyeballs to its bowl games. There could be lots of reasons for that -- e.g., the games are in the evenings just before Christmas, etc. I am not claiming anything negative about anyone by posting the link.
So it's just information. I'll drop it now.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-ExuperyComment
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Please explain why. I read the article intently and I honestly think it's probably the truest ranking of "program value" I've seen.Originally posted by Top Ute View PostComment
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Well, I told the NY Times to get you to write the story but they'd also have to pay up to get you off your WNBA gig.Originally posted by Top Ute View Post
I've always personally disagreed that the Big 10 has the most TV eyeballs of any conference, the South is crazy over college football and that markets that center around Pullman, WA and Corvallis, OR are probably pretty small -- which are the conclusions the NY Times has come to. I would have appreciated your special touch to the article that would have convinced me that people in California care as much for college football as people in Alabama.Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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No, sorry. You can't say dumb stuff, then just say let's drop it.Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
Are you saying the only people that watched last year's games respective bowl games were Utah, Boise St, BYU, and UTEP fans. No other fans watched those games? The rankings didn't reflect any other factors, other than the relative fanbases of the teams playing?Comment
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Fortunately for the NFL, the Saints and the Colts are the biggest NFL markets and have the most fans and that's why the 2009-2010 Super Bowl was the most watched TV event ever. Normally you wouldn't think that Indianapolis and New Orleans are the two biggest markets in the country, but you'd be wrong.Originally posted by jay santos View PostPart of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”Comment
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Troy in the same ballpark as Utah and Stanford? Pittsburgh and Illinois being Top 10 teams in the Omaha market? They don't even have alumni association chapters there. Florida State lagging behind Miami? Rutgers having triple the fan base of Notre Dame in NYC?Originally posted by jay santos View Post
Living alumni, merchandise sales, traveling strength of fan base and TV ratings are all far greater indicators of fan base strength and numbers than Google search hits. Even the founders of the CommonCensus map warn that these numbers are "highly inaccurate."Comment
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They don't. But because more people in Alabama care about college football doesn't mean Troy and UAB are on par with Utah and Stanford.Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostComment
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I want to like that NY Times survey, what with the B10 owning the top 3 spots, but their methodology is severely flawed. Georgia Tech has 60% more fans than Georgia? Um, no. There's a footnote in the article that comes right out and says that the data are severely inaccurate. It is interesting, but it seems that it's way too reliant on cities and on fans who surf the internet. That will bias the results toward more urban and upper class areas, which explains the Georgia Tech issue as well as the dominance of the B10.Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View PostComment
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Does that also means it overstates the fan bases foir schools like Stanford and Cal?Originally posted by woot View PostPLesa excuse the tpyos.Comment
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I only wanted to drop it because some seem to find the subject annoying or distasteful. Again, the TV numbers are what they are. It seems to me that they tell us only how many people watched certain bowl games. I already said there were surely other factors at work, such as the dates and times of the games. If I were saying all the other things you are suggesting, that would indeed be dumb. But I am not saying it. CMBF may be right in suggesting the numbers tell us little that we don't already know.Originally posted by jay santos View Post“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-ExuperyComment
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