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  • Chip Brown: nothing new other than the Big 12 presidents postpone Friday's meeting... So it drags on.


    The Big 12 presidents were supposed to gather on Friday to talk about the future of the league, a Big 12 administrator told Orangebloods.com.

    But that meeting has been postponed indefinitely until Oklahoma and Oklahoma State can vocalize with certainty what their plans are, the administrator said.

    Oklahoma made it clear to officials from Texas during a meeting on Sunday that it considered the Big 12 dead with Texas A&M moving on to the Southeastern Conference, sources said.

    The seven-member board of regents at OU was unified in its desire to apply for membership to the Pac-12 at that time, sources said. And Oklahoma State was expected to follow suit, the sources said.

    But Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott has indicated the Pac-12 doesn't want to be the catalyst that triggers mass realignment in college athletics, sources say.

    Scott may be waiting to approach his presidents and chancellors with the porposal of adding OU and Oklahoma State until Texas A&M's move to the SEC is complete, which could take awhile.

    Three schools in the Big 12 - Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State - have voiced publicly that they will not waive their right to sue the SEC over its potential acquisition of Texas A&M.

    If the Pac-12 is waiting on Texas A&M and the SEC, this process could be on pause. Sources close to Texas have indicated the Longhorns are still fighting for the Big 12. But if OU and Oklahoma State can not be convinced to recommit to the Big 12, Texas is seriously considering a move to the Atlantic Coast Conference, sources said.

    Oklahoma officials were hoping Texas would be on board to join the Pac-12, sources said. But that does not appear to be the case.

    The one thing we know in realignment is that the longer it plays out, the more chance there is for change.

    But with OU and Oklahoma State still mulling their futures, Friday's meeting of the Big 12 presidents has been postponed.

    Stay tuned.
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    • Originally posted by shoganai View Post
      This reason gets poo-pooed because virtually every conference that crows about academics summarily invites new members that do nothing but drag the conference reputation down - Arizona State, Nebraska? What we've actually learned is that it is most commonly used as an excuse for why one school was NOT invited, not as an actual reason for extending an invitation to someone. It's double-talk, and the proof is in the pudding about how much it really matters when the final decisions are made.
      That's BS and one needs to look no further then the Big Ten and ACC. No doubt that athletic achievment got Penn St. into the Big Ten, but they were also a solid academic school. And since being in the Big Ten, Penn St. has greatly improved academically. The same expectation of academic improvement is being made with Nebraska. I'm not sure Nebraska will ever be on the same level as Penn St. or Illinois, but it's not unreasonable that Nebraska will attain a similar academic ranking as Iowa or Indiana.

      The ACC certainly looked at academics when it invited Boston College, Miami, and Virginia Tech. The PAC options are limited due to geography and the early inclusion of Oregon St. and Washington St.

      Academics in regard to conference expansion are not just "double-talk". They matter. Perhaps the confusion is that concessions are often made when a conference tries to lure the most profitable althetic program in the country that also happens to be a state's flagship academic institution (Texas).
      Originally posted by shoganai View Post
      I've mentioned this before, but the scheduling argument is one big circular round of logic. It's tough to be an independent because it's hard to schedule in October/November. It's tough to schedule in October/November because most teams are in conferences. Most teams are in conferences because it's tough to be independent... Conclude what you will, but this is not going to keep teams from going independent once the money is there to be made.
      But the trend in college football has been the opposite. Miami, Florida St., Penn St., Pittsburgh, etc. were all at one time independent. They joined conferences for scheduling purposes and bowl access...because they could make more money. With the current distribution system in TV content, few schools will be able to successfully launch and manage their own network. There's just not enough demand and a huge content problem. I'm not even sure the LHN will be a success - it's possible that ESPN will lose lots of money and not venture in that segment again. Conference networks are a different story. Much more demand and much better content.
      Originally posted by shoganai View Post
      Of course it's unrealistic to expect every school to have a proprietary network capable of being a cash cow. Only the teams with large fanbases, and the ones that currently anchor the major conferences will be capable of it
      I'm not sure even Texas' LHN will prove successful. Notre Dame has a chance. But I would be surprised if other anchor programs like Alabama, USC, and Ohio St. could launch a successful propietary network.

      Originally posted by shoganai View Post
      You are absolutely right about this, which is why we'll inevitably see things like conferences that exist for no other reason than to hold the minor sports of schools that are independent, or in other football-only alliances.
      Or stay in their conferences and be part of a conference network. It wasn't that long ago that almost no one in the business thought a conference network would be profitable. The Big Ten decided to take a chance; the Big 12 did not. Now that the BTN has been a success, other conferences are trying to catch up. But now that the LHN has been launched and ESPN threw $300 million at it, is the assumption that ESPN will do that for every major program? I think ESPN could very well lose money and that the LHN will be folded into a conference network.
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      • From sooners board.

        Originally posted by Vodnik View Post
        Bob Fescoe just said on the radio that Beebe, Texas and ESPN are working with OU to form a Sooner Network.
        http://www.landthieves.com/board/sho...l=1#post248719

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        • Originally posted by Gaffords View Post
          That's what I suspected would be the outcome. Let's see. Texas, BYU, and OU. Which school does not have an exclusive ESPN contract? Which school has won more Big 12 and national titles.

          That might solve the short-term stability problem of the Big 12 but not the long term instabily that will be caused by larger schools having a proprietary network while the others go without. If I'm Missouri or Kansas and I'm asked to sign on the dotted line to commit to the Big 12 with steep exit penalties, I'm asking Dan Beebe: "Where's my proprietary network?". The only thing that will result in Big 12 stability is to have a conference network.
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          • What the hell are they going to show on an OU network? I honestly do not understand this exclusive network trend.

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            • Originally posted by Babs View Post
              What the hell are they going to show on an OU network? I honestly do not understand this exclusive network trend.
              I'm guessing not very many bowl games.

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              • Originally posted by Babs View Post
                What the hell are they going to show on an OU network? I honestly do not understand this exclusive network trend.
                Me either. Is there that much appeal to even demand it's own network? And how is distribution going to work? Like LHN? Like the mtn?
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                • Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                  I'm guessing not very many bowl games.
                  Zing!
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                  • Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                    I'm guessing not very many bowl games.
                    lol. You're kidding, right? Only Alabama and that unspeakably insufferable Fight-On team have more bowl wins.

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                    • Originally posted by Babs View Post
                      lol. You're kidding, right? Only Alabama and that unspeakably insufferable Fight-On team have more bowl wins.
                      Babs.. Come on now.. There are other schools that have more wins..

                      Tenn., Texas, Nebraska, Georgia (As well as Bama, USC)



                      Oops: Wrong stat. Its USC, Bama, Penn St., and Georgia

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                      • Originally posted by Babs View Post
                        lol. You're kidding, right? Only Alabama and that unspeakably insufferable Fight-On team have more bowl wins.
                        And even then, that is not counting the Orange Bowl!
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                        • Originally posted by dabrockster View Post
                          Babs.. Come on now.. There are other schools that have more wins..

                          Tenn., Texas, Nebraska, Georgia (As well as Bama, USC)



                          Oops: Wrong stat. Its USC, Bama, Penn St., and Georgia
                          You've still got it wrong. Never start a land war in Asia, and never go up against a librarian when stats are on the line.

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                          • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                            And even then, that is not counting the Orange Bowl!
                            or last year, or this year, or next year, or . . .

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                            • Originally posted by Babs View Post
                              lol. You're kidding, right? Only Alabama and that unspeakably insufferable Fight-On team have more bowl wins.
                              Upon further review, I guess it just seemed like OU lost every big bowl game in recent memory (beating UConn doesn't count unless it is women, with a round ball, and you are silencing their insufferable coach). But you are still 0-1 in Copper Bowls, missy!!!

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                              • Originally posted by Art Vandelay View Post
                                Upon further review, I guess it just seemed like OU lost every big bowl game in recent memory (beating UConn doesn't count unless it is women, with a round ball, and you are silencing their insufferable coach). But you are still 0-1 in Copper Bowls, missy!!!
                                True. Alas, it seems we'll never have a channel dedicated exclusively to Copper and Vegas Bowl victories.

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