The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Pheidippides]

Burning question for some of you Texans...

What institutional flaws do Baylor and Texas Tech have that prevent them from being more successful?

From the outside, it's tough to see much substantive difference between Tech and A&M, for example.

Texas, aTm and Tech are BYU, Utah and Lehi high school respectively, if you are comparing things to Utah. Actually, I'd call aTm more like UVU.

[shoganai]

Texas, aTm and Tech are BYU, Utah and Lehi high school respectively, if you are comparing things to Utah. Actually, I'd call aTm more like UVU.

Why?

[Viking]

Texas is the only legit public school in Texas.

The legit private schools are Rice and Trinity

It's always been that way, it will likely always remain that way.

[shoganai]

Texas is the only legit public school in Texas.

The legit private schools are Rice and Trinity

It's always been that way, it will likely always remain that way.

So why isn't Rice more competitive? And how do you define "legit" ?

[Devildog]

Don't worry, though. When all this settles down, we're likely to see the first 16 team league centered on the Great Plains w/ its headquarters in Irving Tx, and it will include BYU/KU/OU/Tx.

Darth Dodds will do what it takes to keep the Whorns in a Tx centric conference.

Yep. This makes sense. Conferences should remain basically geographically based.

The Whorns are obviously in the drivers seat. IMO they are also responsible for driving the others away. Nebraska-Colorado-A&M all had some very solid options leaving to all of the best conferences.

UT may have to make some concessions to keep the others happy... er, happier...

Unequal revenue sharing will not work out long term. Nobody else besides OU can really compete with UT's crazy athletic budget and recruiting. Unless some new conference model of loosely based "independent" teams with their own networks and revenue streams band together to play each other, and package the additional TV money.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Yep. This makes sense. Conferences should remain basically geographically based.

The Whorns are obviously in the drivers seat. IMO they are also responsible for driving the others away. Nebraska-Colorado-A&M all had some very solid options leaving to all of the best conferences.

UT may have to make some concessions to keep the others happy... er, happier...

Unequal revenue sharing will not work out long term. Nobody else besides OU can really compete with UT's crazy athletic budget and recruiting. Unless some new conference model of loosely based "independent" teams with their own networks and revenue streams band together to play each other, and package the additional TV money.

I love how Texas turns guys like you into bleeding heart socialists.

[Devildog]

I love how Texas turns guys like you into bleeding heart socialists.

I'm gonna love watchin BYU try to compete with an athletic budget more than double their size.

They also seem to be one of the few university fan-bases that top BYU in arrogance and delusion.

[LiveCoug]

I'm gonna love watchin BYU try to compete with an athletic budget more than double their size.

They also seem to be one of the few university fan-bases that top BYU in arrogance and delusion.

[Uncle Ted]

Burning question for some of you Texans...

What institutional flaws do Baylor and Texas Tech have that prevent them from being more successful?

From the outside, it's tough to see much substantive difference between Tech and A&M, for example.

(I assume you are talking about their football programs given this is posted in the Sports/Stadium of this forum. If not please take this somewhere else.)



Texas Tech has a win percentage of 64% in the Big 12. As way of comparison this better than (over the same time period: '96-'10):

Arkansas 58%
Texas A&M 57%
Missouri 57%
Arizona State 56%
Oregon State 56%
Oklahoma State 55%
UCLA 55%
Cal 51%
Arizona 48%
Washington 48%
Stanford 47%
[...]

As for Baylor there win percentage is 29% which is better than Vanderbilt's (27%). Of course, the only reason Baylor is in the Big 12 is Ann Richards. What is Vandy's excuse for being in the SEC?

[Uncle Ted]

OK St president says they will go with big brother, OU, if they go anyway:

“We want to be clear that we worked actively to encourage Texas A&M to remain in the Big 12 Conference and regret they decided to leave. We are moving ahead. Oklahoma State University's athletic program has never been stronger from top to bottom, putting us in a position to explore and pursue options, including the possible expansion of our current conference. We are in close communications with our colleagues at the University of Oklahoma and expect a decision soon that will be in the best interest of our institutions and the state of Oklahoma.”

I am starting to think that this is all a ploy to force the legislators to take action on aTm to force them to stay in the Big 12.

[Viking]

So why isn't Rice more competitive? And how do you define "legit" ?

I mean academically

[ERCougar]

My hopeful theory:
This is OU flexing their muscle. I just don't buy that this pressures ND at all. But I do buy that OU wants in on the LHN and this may be their means of getting in. I also buy that Texas likely greatly prefers to be in a Texas-centric conference.

I'm guessing Texas and OU stay, OU works out some partnership on the LHN, and BYU is in. Hoping anyway.

Now...tabling that and on to Ole Miss!

[LA Ute]

OU's sole focus now on joining Pac-12

I want them to stay put. BYU to Big 12, PAC-12 stays at 12, everybody's happy.

[shoganai]

(I assume you are talking about their football programs given this is posted in the Sports/Stadium of this forum. If not please take this somewhere else.)



Texas Tech has a win percentage of 64% in the Big 12. As way of comparison this better than (over the same time period: '96-'10):

Arkansas 58%
Texas A&M 57%
Missouri 57%
Arizona State 56%
Oregon State 56%
Oklahoma State 55%
UCLA 55%
Cal 51%
Arizona 48%
Washington 48%
Stanford 47%
[...]

As for Baylor there win percentage is 29% which is better than Vanderbilt's (27%). Of course, the only reason Baylor is in the Big 12 is Ann Richards. What is Vandy's excuse for being in the SEC?

Given their success over a fairly significant period of time, I would think they would have developed more of a following, and more of an ability to support themselves.

Which brings me back to my initial question - what are the institutional flaws preventing schools like Tech from being more on par with its counterparts in terms of following, finances, etc.

[Gaffords]

Given their success over a fairly significant period of time, I would think they would have developed more of a following, and more of an ability to support themselves.

Which brings me back to my initial question - what are the institutional flaws preventing schools like Tech from being more on par with its counterparts in terms of following, finances, etc.

TT is a tier 2 school and Baylor a tier 3.

I will give TT some props. It is working really hard in the academic area and research area to become the next Texas Tier 1.

As for Texas? It isn't about sports first. The school actually has a lot of pride in academics. 5 Million of the 13 million from the LHN goes into different academic programs.

While athletics will be its mainstay, I’m also excited that the Longhorn Network will feature non-sports programming. This will include University news on “Longhorn Extra” and daily short features on research, alumni, faculty, and students. We’ll also be broadcasting films and documentaries by students, faculty, and alumni. Other programming will include live music performances on the campus, top faculty members speaking on provocative topics, and major events such as commencement and my annual State of the University Address.

The Longhorn Network provides financial support for important academic initiatives. I have committed funding from the first year’s network royalties to endow new faculty chairs in Art and Art History, Communication, Philosophy, and Physics. All in all, the Longhorn Network will provide about $5 million per year in support of academics.

http://blogs.utexas.edu/towertalk/

The University works closely with the different communities themselves and because of it, the state is very loyal. Longhorn football owns the State win or lose. Like any program we have more than our fair share of T-shirt fans, but we also have an extremely large loyal fan base with Alumni clubs coast to coast.

As for the revenue thing.. once again:

1.) FOX 1.2 Billion contract is split EQUALLY between 10 schools..
2.) ESPN/ABC 480 Million contract is split 76% EQUALLY between the Schools 24% UNEQUALLY between the Schools (which will probably be around 1.2 million difference this year between first place and last)
3.) OOC games played on another network used to pay 100% to the school (ie UT vs ND on NBC). Now 50% goes to the School and 50% is split equally between all other schools.
4.) All schools split Bowl money equally.
5.) Do what you want with your tier 3 rights. Just like Kansas does with the JayHawk network during BB season already.
6.) Most of the anger in the system is fan driven on forums across the nation that have no clue what it actually is. Funny thing is the fans in USC seem to like the idea! Go figure...lol

This setup KEEPS the money makers in place AND the small schools making money. There was plenty of concessions made by the big schools to keep the BIG 12 together at the request of the smaller schools... Especially since they were the one's begging to hold the ship together. The big Schools could have easily taken more not less.

Baylor is looking at 15 million playing here or 800k playing in the Sun Belt. This is the reason the small schools are the ones that FIGHT to keep the BIG 12 alive and doesn't about the LHN IF that keeps teams like UT in place. Now some of the schools got hurt when ESPN threw 300 mil on the table. That took everyone by surprise. But there is not a school in the country that would have turned it down.

The CCG was moved to Dallas because it draws SO MUCH MORE money in that stadium then it does in any other sub par stadium it was being played in.