The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Armenag]

Goldmine of quotes in this oral history of Mizzou's move to the SEC. Lots of insight into the Big 12's dysfunction from some people who really do not like Texas and Oklahoma, or at least those schools' leaders.

https://missouri.rivals.com/news/zer...ern-conference

[falafel]

Goldmine of quotes in this oral history of Mizzou's move to the SEC. Lots of insight into the Big 12's dysfunction from some people who really do not like Texas and Oklahoma, or at least those schools' leaders.

https://missouri.rivals.com/news/zer...ern-conference

LOFTIN: “Scott told me that it wasn’t an easy sell because other than A&M and Texas the other schools really didn’t have the reputation academically that they really wanted. Colorado did. Utah didn’t.”

Heh.

[Armenag]

Heh.

Yeah, that's a line with some potential future use.

[Paperback Writer]

Goldmine of quotes in this oral history of Mizzou's move to the SEC. Lots of insight into the Big 12's dysfunction from some people who really do not like Texas and Oklahoma, or at least those schools' leaders.

https://missouri.rivals.com/news/zer...ern-conference

Jeff Lebowski: "Nobody cares about Nebraska"
Berry Tramel: "This is about Nebraska. Everybody cares about Nebraska."

[SeattleUte]

Heh.

This thread reminds me of those ruins of nuclear silos near I5 in southwest Washington. Lock it up or blow it up. It's already attracting rats.

[falafel]

This thread reminds me of those ruins of nuclear silos near I5 in southwest Washington. Lock it up or blow it up. It's already attracting rats.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Yeah, that's a line with some potential future use.

A number of people thought that when the expansion talks were going on.

[Uncle Ted]

Link?

UH's pitch:

http://www.uhcougars.com/genrel/UH_presentation.html


UC's pitch:

http://www.uc.edu/president/big12.html


UConn's pitch:

http://uconn.edu/public-notification/big-12/

[Bigfoot is Cain]

I have no insider information, and someone somewhere has probably suggested this, but I think that the Big 12 ultimately dropped expansion because they were hoping for a current P5 school to join. I don't know if the Big 12 reached out, or if they hoped that a current P5 school would express interest, but my guess is that if one school had agreed to join then the Big 12 would have quickly jumped and taken BYU. The ACC invited Louisville, the Big 12 invited TCU, and the Pac 10 invited Utah (despite BYU having a better overall athletic program, bigger football stadium, larger basketball arena, more fans, and being worth more money). No P5 conference has invited 2 outsiders, and the Big 12 already invited TCU a few years ago.

[Green Monstah]

I have no insider information, and someone somewhere has probably suggested this, but I think that the Big 12 ultimately dropped expansion because they were hoping for a current P5 school to join. I don't know if the Big 12 reached out, or if they hoped that a current P5 school would express interest, but my guess is that if one school had agreed to join then the Big 12 would have quickly jumped and taken BYU. The ACC invited Louisville, the Big 12 invited TCU, and the Pac 10 invited Utah (despite BYU having a better overall athletic program, bigger football stadium, larger basketball arena, more fans, and being worth more money). No P5 conference has invited 2 outsiders, and the Big 12 already invited TCU a few years ago.

I had this thought as well, but if that's true, why not just make a few phone calls and ask around? I guess you lose the benefit of the NDAs, but it seems like there are a lot of other ways to gauge P5 schools' interest without inviting 20 non-P5 schools to participate in a dog and pony show only to award no blue ribbons.

[New Mexican Disaster]

I had this thought as well, but if that's true, why not just make a few phone calls and ask around? I guess you lose the benefit of the NDAs, but it seems like there are a lot of other ways to gauge P5 schools' interest without inviting 20 non-P5 schools to participate in a dog and pony show only to award no blue ribbons.

Why not do a few phone calls and see what was out there for the whole damn thing? What a cluster.

[Green Monstah]

Why not do a few phone calls and see what was out there for the whole damn thing? What a cluster.

To strong arm the networks.

[wapiti]

Why not do a few phone calls and see what was out there for the whole damn thing? What a cluster.

It was supposed to be driven by data. Data that has been out there in the public domain for many years. Data that their consultants surely provided to them well before the July 19th announcement. The process was a mockery of the 20 schools that participated.

[SCcoug]

To strong arm the networks.

If this is true they did a terrible job. 125K extra per team?

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[Omaha 680]

If this is true they did a terrible job. 125K extra per team?

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way to turn the screws, Bob!

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