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  • An interesting article coming out of cowtown on why TCU should still go to the Big East...

    Namely, Nebraska, Colorado and Texas A&M have all either left or plan to leave the former Big 12 Conference. Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Missouri have expressed their desires, at times, to also do so.

    Why does TCU want "in" to a league where six other schools wanted "out?"

    In all six cases, the reported reasons for defecting had nothing to do with things that happened on the football field.

    True, UT-compliant Dan Beebe was removed as Big 12 commissioner at Oklahoma's request. The Longhorn Network also has agreed to keep its cameras, for now, away from all high school venues. And league schools have agreed to share Tier 1 and Tier 2 TV revenues for the next six years.
    Those are all positive steps. But by agreeing to allow Texas to retain all of its Tier 3 (Longhorn Network) money, the Big 12 will not have "equal revenue sharing." Texas will begin each year with an average of $15 million more to spend -- and with the Big 12's blessing.

    The exact difference between what TCU eventually will receive from the Big 12 and what the Horned Frogs would have earned from any new Big East contract is mere speculation. The networks will determine that.

    [...]

    If you think the Big East isn't the same, wait until the Frogs have to deal with weekly life in the Big 12.

    Frogs loyalists insist that recruiting will benefit from the move to the Big 12.

    Maybe, but maybe not. I think kids like to play for schools that win a lot. Teams that go to BCS bowls.

    [...]

    This is a Golden Age for TCU, and its football success helped to create it.
    There are 11 private universities that play football in BCS auto-qualifying conferences. Miami and Southern Cal are two, but the rest includes, among others, Syracuse, Baylor, Wake Forest, Boston College and Northwestern.
    How many BCS bowls have any of those others appeared in lately?

    Granted, TCU's head football coach may take issue with my assumption that the Frogs will have the scales tilted against them in the Big 12. I may end up in his desk drawer's June Jones file.
    A lot of this could apply to BYU as well... except for that part about still going to the Big East.
    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
    "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
    "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
    GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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    • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
      Something I have been curious about...how are the ratings for these games so far this season? I havent been able to find them on zapit or anywhere else, but admittedly havent looked terribly hard.

      Are people tuning in? If the ratings are there, they will renew the deal.
      Opponent - Viewership (million) - Adults 18-49
      UCF - 2.136 - .7
      USU - 2.071 - .6

      ESPN's average ratings for the week ending 9-25-2011:

      Prime time - 2.753
      Adults - 1.346

      ESPN's averages for the week ending 10-2-2011:

      Prime time - 3.584
      Adults - 1.814

      tvbythenumbers.com

      I think the ESPN averages are just for the flagship, and do not include viewership for ESPN2, U, Classic, News, etc.
      "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
      - Goatnapper'96

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      • Originally posted by YOhio View Post
        The doomsday Cougar fans remind me of IPZ the day Obamacare passed. He had some post titled RIP America and said the country was dead. (He was wrong).
        lol. Il Padrino Lifi is a riot sometimes. I think that is why he is so revered here.

        Meanwhile, David Ubben (yes, THAT David Ubben!) is all over the B12 actually growing back to 12.

        http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_...obering-mizzou

        As for the others, count me among those that believes the Big 12 needs to get to 12 teams. It's a divisive issue these days, even within the Big 12. It may cost programs some money, but I do think we're entering an era in college football where your conference can't be taken seriously if it doesn't have a championship game. Sorry, title game-hating coaches. Looks like you'll have to take one for the team if that's going to happen.

        Best-case, realistic scenario?

        Go get BYU and then add Louisville. Grab West Virginia if Missouri officially bolts. Huge additions in the money sports and the programs will grow and get a chance to dip into the Texas recruiting pool.

        If that happens, you're going to see money drop a bit, but on-field reputation? Should be about the same. Considerably more stable.
        Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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        • Originally posted by Cougarmandias View Post

          CUF is cougarboard with a blue collared shirt and stubble.
          I won't argue with that. I rock the stubble and I've even been known to occasionally wear a purple shirt to church. I also occasionally sit in the foyer and read non-LDS publications when I feel like it. Thanks for noticing the substantive differences.
          Ute-ī sunt fīmī differtī

          It can't all be wedding cake.

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          • Originally posted by Pelado View Post
            Opponent - Viewership (million) - Adults 18-49
            UCF - 2.136 - .7
            USU - 2.071 - .6

            ESPN's average ratings for the week ending 9-25-2011:

            Prime time - 2.753
            Adults - 1.346

            ESPN's averages for the week ending 10-2-2011:

            Prime time - 3.584
            Adults - 1.814

            tvbythenumbers.com

            I think the ESPN averages are just for the flagship, and do not include viewership for ESPN2, U, Classic, News, etc.
            TheVoiceofTV.com


            I found a few that are slightly different:

            USU-1.4
            UCF-1.5
            Utah-0.6
            Texas-1.3

            Shows that Fridays suck for schedule but are better than saturday's if you want to be seen on TV.

            and for comparison on why we all really don't matter:

            Michigan-ND: 4.5
            "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

            "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

            "I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."

            -Rick Majerus

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            • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
              True, but they have that ability now, as well.

              I don't share the apocalyptic view that some have. As long as BYU is playing other teams, it is a relevant program by definition. It isn't going anywhere unless other teams completely stop playing BYU.

              Winning makes a program relevant, even if you are beating creampuffs.

              I am more persuaded that recruiting will continue to suffer under this current regime, but less inclined to believe any doomsday predictions.
              BYU will continue to play games. They will play decent to good matchups early and crappy matchups late. When the rest of the country is freaking about about who will win the SEC or Pac 12 BYU will be playing Idaho State. They will probably lose 1-3 games early and will win most of their games late. They will never make a BCS bowl game because they have no access through a conference (not even the access that Utah, Boise, TCU and Hawaii enjoyed) and will play middling teams in shitty bowls. At least in the MWC you play for a conference championship against teams that you have to beat to accomplish something. A game against Boise state for 10 years as an Independent is ok. A game against Boise State in a conference for 10 years is much better.
              Dyslexics are teople poo...

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              • Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
                TheVoiceofTV.com


                I found a few that are slightly different:

                USU-1.4
                UCF-1.5
                Utah-0.6
                Texas-1.3

                Shows that Fridays suck for schedule but are better than saturday's if you want to be seen on TV.

                and for comparison on why we all really don't matter:

                Michigan-ND: 4.5
                Were those on tvbythenumbers.com, or some other source? Those might be the share instead of the viewership.
                "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                - Goatnapper'96

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                • Originally posted by Pelado View Post
                  Were those on tvbythenumbers.com, or some other source?
                  TheVoiceofTV.com, they were only listed as composite, not ranges.
                  "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

                  "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

                  "I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."

                  -Rick Majerus

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                  • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                    lol. Il Padrino Lifi is a riot sometimes. I think that is why he is so revered here.

                    Meanwhile, David Ubben (yes, THAT David Ubben!) is all over the B12 actually growing back to 12.

                    http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_...obering-mizzou




                    I like that thought!
                    Dyslexics are teople poo...

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                    • Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
                      TheVoiceofTV.com, they were only listed as composite, not ranges.
                      Mine weren't ranges, either, they were two different measurements - total viewership and viewership for adults aged 18-49. Your source may be reporting the "share" which is a percentage of viewership.
                      "I think it was King Benjamin who said 'you sorry ass shitbags who have no skills that the market values also have an obligation to have the attitude that if one day you do in fact win the PowerBall Lottery that you will then impart of your substance to those without.'"
                      - Goatnapper'96

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                      • Originally posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
                        TheVoiceofTV.com


                        I found a few that are slightly different:

                        USU-1.4
                        UCF-1.5
                        Utah-0.6
                        Texas-1.3

                        Shows that Fridays suck for schedule but are better than saturday's if you want to be seen on TV.

                        and for comparison on why we all really don't matter:

                        Michigan-ND: 4.5
                        Wow, is that accurate? How can the Utah game be that low? Both teams coming off losses but still. yikes.
                        Fitter. Happier. More Productive.

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                        • Originally posted by TripletDaddy View Post
                          Wow, is that accurate? How can the Utah game be that low? Both teams coming off losses but still. yikes.
                          The time slot didn't help. Oklahoma/Florida St. was at that time on ABC. I think there was one other good game at that time as well on ESPN.
                          "Take it to the Bank"

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                          • Originally posted by Hot Lunch View Post
                            The time slot didn't help. Oklahoma/Florida St. was at that time on ABC. I think there was one other good game at that time as well on ESPN.
                            Wasn't it Notre Dame Michigan? Or was that the week before?

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                            • Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                              I won't argue with that. I rock the stubble and I've even been known to occasionally wear a purple shirt to church. I also occasionally sit in the foyer and read non-LDS publications when I feel like it. Thanks for noticing the substantive differences.
                              I haven't noticed any, but you're welcome.
                              I think, perhaps, the only person who hates BYU fans more than ute fans hate BYU fans, is Bronco Mendenhall.
                              -smokymountainrain


                              Menden Hall Hates Me.

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                              • Originally posted by Sizzle View Post
                                Wasn't it Notre Dame Michigan? Or was that the week before?
                                That was the week before.
                                "Take it to the Bank"

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