The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[MarkGrace]

For the same reason you love that awful radiohead album, you believe everything you read.

For the millionth time, Pablo Honey is not that bad.

I guess Louis can't get out of their conference for like 27 mos or something? That makes me feel better. They can't be the 10th team.

[EuropeanFootballMale]

I can't take much more of this. Give us an invite!!

[Viking]

EPIC show by Metallica last night. EPIC.

Cougar fans, the situation as I understand it follows: Louisville, WVU and one of BYU or TCU will be in.

I understand that BYU is trying to work a "King Solomon" solution and be able to play 2 seasons in the WCC for basketball to tie into the Big East moves.

What BYU does NOT understand is that TCU, while a less desirable outcome, may be taken ahead of BYU over this issue.

I've softened a bit on my Samuelson stance, but I still think that he is oddly choosing the interests of a conference in which BYU has never played a game over the TREMENDOUS sacrifice that BYU fans over DECADES have made.

Dr. Samuelson: we have paid a lot of money and blood sweat and tears and our interests deserve to be respected, too. What about the commitments made to US?

I'd suggest you call the Athletic Department if you don't like this outcome, because this is my odds-on guess as to the final outcome if nothing else changes.

[Mormon Red Death]

If GSwaim is the source on the Louisville offer then I wouldn't put too much stock in it. He basically just free associates on Twitter.

he looks like the Chip Brown of Louisville.

[Viking]

No one really cares if Mizzou leaves, btw. No one likes them; kansas will retain its annual rivalry games with them. Let them leave.

Mizzou leaving whilst BYU enters would be fitting given historical perspectives!

[cowboy]

EPIC show by Metallica last night. EPIC.

Cougar fans, the situation as I understand it follows: Louisville, WVU and one of BYU or TCU will be in.

I understand that BYU is trying to work a "King Solomon" solution and be able to play 2 seasons in the WCC for basketball to tie into the Big East moves.

What BYU does NOT understand is that TCU, while a less desirable outcome, may be taken ahead of BYU over this issue.

I've softened a bit on my Samuelson stance, but I still think that he is oddly choosing the interests of a conference in which BYU has never played a game over the TREMENDOUS sacrifice that BYU fans over DECADES have made.

Dr. Samuelson: we have paid a lot of money and blood sweat and tears and our interests deserve to be respected, too. What about the commitments made to US?

I'd suggest you call the Athletic Department if you don't like this outcome, because this is my odds-on guess as to the final outcome if nothing else changes.

Am I the only one who thinks the 'Big XII at all costs' mentality is a bad thing? I really want BYU football to survive, but if the only way it can is for us to break our word to the WCC, then maybe it has to die. Trying to fix one bad decision by making another bad decision is never a good idea. This is especially true when it comes to keeping our word, in my opinion. One of the biggest knocks I hear against Mormons (and I admit that this is anecdotal) is that they lack integrity in business. If the Church demonstrates that they are willing to break commitments to make a buck, then it would appear to give license to every other member to do the same. Like I said, I love BYU football, but I'd rather start following Wyoming than have the Church compromise its integrity. On the other hand, if BYU is just holding out because they are being greedy, then that would seem just as bad, and they need to pull their heads out of their elbows.

[BlueHair]

Am I the only one who thinks the 'Big XII at all costs' mentality is a bad thing? I really want BYU football to survive, but if the only way it can is for us to break our word to the WCC, then maybe it has to die. Trying to fix one bad decision by making another bad decision is never a good idea. This is especially true when it comes to keeping our word, in my opinion. One of the biggest knocks I hear against Mormons (and I admit that this is anecdotal) is that they lack integrity in business. If the Church demonstrates that they are willing to break commitments to make a buck, then it would appear to give license to every other member to do the same. Like I said, I love BYU football, but I'd rather start following Wyoming than have the Church compromise its integrity. On the other hand, if BYU is just holding out because they are being greedy, then that would seem just as bad, and they need to pull their heads out of their elbows.

Yes, you are the only one.

[WashingtonCoug]

Am I the only one who thinks the 'Big XII at all costs' mentality is a bad thing? I really want BYU football to survive, but if the only way it can is for us to break our word to the WCC, then maybe it has to die. Trying to fix one bad decision by making another bad decision is never a good idea. This is especially true when it comes to keeping our word, in my opinion. One of the biggest knocks I hear against Mormons (and I admit that this is anecdotal) is that they lack integrity in business. If the Church demonstrates that they are willing to break commitments to make a buck, then it would appear to give license to every other member to do the same. Like I said, I love BYU football, but I'd rather start following Wyoming than have the Church compromise its integrity. On the other hand, if BYU is just holding out because they are being greedy, then that would seem just as bad, and they need to pull their heads out of their elbows.

I agree. However, I have a hard time believing that BYU wouldn't have put some kind off language into a contract with the WCC that said if a bigger conference comes along they will jump. They may have to pay an exit fee, but they had to have known this was a possibility. I know BYU didn't expect the BIG 12 to start looking this fast, but I think most people thought they would start looking again in 2-3 years.

[Marvelous]

Like I said, I love BYU football, but I'd rather start following Wyoming than have the Church compromise its integrity.

Why would BYU leaving the WCC compromise the integrity of the Church? This argument is so bogus to me. First, we don't know the terms of our agreement with the WCC. Second, the WCC (and BYU for that matter) was incredibly naive to think that BYU wouldn't potentially leave if given a better opportunity.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Am I the only one who thinks the 'Big XII at all costs' mentality is a bad thing? I really want BYU football to survive, but if the only way it can is for us to break our word to the WCC, then maybe it has to die. Trying to fix one bad decision by making another bad decision is never a good idea. This is especially true when it comes to keeping our word, in my opinion. One of the biggest knocks I hear against Mormons (and I admit that this is anecdotal) is that they lack integrity in business. If the Church demonstrates that they are willing to break commitments to make a buck, then it would appear to give license to every other member to do the same. Like I said, I love BYU football, but I'd rather start following Wyoming than have the Church compromise its integrity. On the other hand, if BYU is just holding out because they are being greedy, then that would seem just as bad, and they need to pull their heads out of their elbows.

Did BYU sign some agreement that they would never leave the WCC under any circumstances?

[cowboy]

Yes, you are the only one.

Heh. Duly noted that my intro was poorly phrased. I used it as a figure of speech, but I can see that it made me look like I was trying to put myself in a position of moral superiority and speak down to everyone. My apologies to the rest of you heathens.

[EuropeanFootballMale]

Am I the only one who thinks the 'Big XII at all costs' mentality is a bad thing? I really want BYU football to survive, but if the only way it can is for us to break our word to the WCC, then maybe it has to die. Trying to fix one bad decision by making another bad decision is never a good idea. This is especially true when it comes to keeping our word, in my opinion. One of the biggest knocks I hear against Mormons (and I admit that this is anecdotal) is that they lack integrity in business. If the Church demonstrates that they are willing to break commitments to make a buck, then it would appear to give license to every other member to do the same. Like I said, I love BYU football, but I'd rather start following Wyoming than have the Church compromise its integrity. On the other hand, if BYU is just holding out because they are being greedy, then that would seem just as bad, and they need to pull their heads out of their elbows.

That dog has already hunted. Remember the WAC and the MWC?

[doctorcoug]

I thought this was funny:

www.cougarbored.com

[YOhio]

Am I the only one who thinks the 'Big XII at all costs' mentality is a bad thing? I really want BYU football to survive, but if the only way it can is for us to break our word to the WCC, then maybe it has to die. Trying to fix one bad decision by making another bad decision is never a good idea. This is especially true when it comes to keeping our word, in my opinion. One of the biggest knocks I hear against Mormons (and I admit that this is anecdotal) is that they lack integrity in business. If the Church demonstrates that they are willing to break commitments to make a buck, then it would appear to give license to every other member to do the same. Like I said, I love BYU football, but I'd rather start following Wyoming than have the Church compromise its integrity. On the other hand, if BYU is just holding out because they are being greedy, then that would seem just as bad, and they need to pull their heads out of their elbows.

Prairie wisdom.

[New Mexican Disaster]

Am I the only one who thinks the 'Big XII at all costs' mentality is a bad thing? .

I hope so. I am terrified that this might be the University's stance and that it would permanently ruin our chances of becoming a member of the big boys club.