The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[San Juan Sun]

What's in it for the Pac 12?

Every party needs a piñata?

[The_Douger]

What's in it for the Pac 12?

Maybe they'd offer a scheduling agreement with the PAC that's 12 games a year, with 7 at PAC stadiums every year, and 5 at MWC stadiums, so the PAC comes out ahead and they get regional matchups as well as some easy wins.

[UVACoug]

• Agreed on points 1, 2, and 3.
• Agree from a technical standpoint on point 4, but I believe the actual amount of increased access for non-major conferences (see point 1) is so small as to be negligible. The 4-team playoff candidates are chosen by a selection committee of 20 people. I don't see the balance of power being any different in college football under the 4 team playoff than it has been in the past. The selection committee will go with a 1-loss team from a power conference over a 1-loss team from a non-major conference every day of the week. Non-major conferences really have no better seat at the table than they had before.
• Agree on point 5
• Agree on point 6 but certain conferences don't appear to be extending that flexibility to BYU any time soon.
• Agree on point 7

Thus, given the non-major conferences in their current form with their current TV packages, Indy is still better than joining a non-major conference. There are two possibilities that could cause me to change my opinion. I give you:

BigFatMeanie's Key Conditions for Joining a Non-major Conference

1. A non-major conference extended flexibility to BYU in working out a media deal.

2. The college football playoff was expanded to include either a guaranteed slot to a non-major conference champion or sufficient slots such that a non-major conference champion had a reasonable chance of getting in.

Satisfaction of either one of these conditions would cause me to re-evaluate my opinion on BYU's current Indy status.

I agree with this completely, except that I don't think being in a non-major conference (e.g., the MWC) would give BYU any advantage in terms of getting in a playoff. In fact, where the spots are filled by a committee ... BYU is better off as an independent where it can make its own schedule than it would be in the MWC.


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[Pelado]

Friend of a friend attended a booster meeting with Pres. Kustra of BSU. Friend told me that his friend said that Kustra said BSU, CSU, BYU, and one other school (he couldn't remember which) are locks for the PAC when they expand in a few years.

[The_Douger]

I don't think the PAC will take anyone besides Texas/OU and whatever sniveling little brothers those guys want to bring along.

Boise is like a community college academically. Those schools in the PAC aren't going to want to associate with them.

[Portland Ute]

I don't think the PAC will take anyone besides Texas/OU and whatever sniveling little brothers those guys want to bring along.

Boise is like a community college academically. Those schools in the PAC aren't going to want to associate with them.

While I emotionally gravitate towards your description of the Boise State and the PACs view of them, I have to point out that the PAC does already associate with Boyzee. Boise is actually a member of the PAC wrestling conference.

http://pac-12.com/Sports/BasketballM...-the-year.aspx

[The_Douger]

While I emotionally gravitate towards your description of the Boise State and the PACs view of them, I have to point out that the PAC does already associate with Boyzee. Boise is actually a member of the PAC wrestling conference.

Well, they "associate" with BYU in volleyball as well, but we all know that doesn't really matter as far as future membership.

[Uncle Ted]

While I emotionally gravitate towards your description of the Boise State and the PACs view of them, I have to point out that the PAC does already associate with Boyzee. Boise is actually a member of the PAC wrestling conference.

http://pac-12.com/Sports/BasketballM...-the-year.aspx

Ted remembers the good ole days when BYU had both a wrestling program and a national championship football team.

[lambdacoug]

Ted remembers the good ole days when BYU had both a wrestling program and a national championship football team.

I might have met one of the Gracie brothers in a wrestling class taught by Schultz... I forget which brother it was, but he taught a whole class on Jiujitsu. It's one of the highlights of my freshman year.

[dabrockster]

While I emotionally gravitate towards your description of the Boise State and the PACs view of them, I have to point out that the PAC does already associate with Boyzee. Boise is actually a member of the PAC wrestling conference.

http://pac-12.com/Sports/BasketballM...-the-year.aspx

Not only are the part of the PAC 12 with wrestling. Boise St. pretty much dominates all the other schools in that sport.. My brother was a Pac 10 Champ and Runner-up for them..

[dabrockster]

Ted remembers the good ole days when BYU had both a wrestling program and a national championship football team.

Don't get me started..

[beefytee]

No they don't.

The Pac doesn't have men's volleyball. BYU is in the MPSF.

Not that I think BSU in the Pac for wrestling is significant....

[Shaka]

I might have met one of the Gracie brothers in a wrestling class taught by Schultz... I forget which brother it was, but he taught a whole class on Jiujitsu. It's one of the highlights of my freshman year.

Might? You did meet one of the Gracies.

[beefytee]

I guess playoff or BCS access is not important to you?

Seeing as how the MWC realistically has neither, it's not important to me. Were the situation to change such that all conferences had a guaranteed spot, or at least a strong possibility of getting a spot, my stance on conference affiliation might change. Until then, Indy in its current form is better than the MWC in its current form.

This is wrong. In the new system, the MWC gains greater access in the new system since there is an automatic bid for the "left over" conferences. The MWC being the strongest of those conferences, they are likely to get to a BCS bowl regularly.

BYU as an independent is also more likely to be left out as there will no longer be any limit on the number of teams from a conference that can participate.

http://news.yahoo.com/10-things-know...9841--spt.html

Like I have said previously, coming to the realization that BYU would have been left out this last year even if they had gone undefeated was an eye opener for me.

[BigFatMeanie]

This is wrong. In the new system, the MWC gains greater access in the new system since there is an automatic bid for the "left over" conferences. The MWC being the strongest of those conferences, they are likely to get to a BCS bowl regularly.

BYU as an independent is also more likely to be left out as there will no longer be any limit on the number of teams from a conference that can participate.

http://news.yahoo.com/10-things-know...9841--spt.html

Like I have said previously, coming to the realization that BYU would have been left out this last year even if they had gone undefeated was an eye opener for me.

If you think giving the leftover conferences one guaranteed slot in the leftover bowls (i.e. the bowl games that are NOT hosting the playoffs) is sufficient reason for BYU to join the MWC, without any underlying changes to the MWC's current media and revenue sharing plans, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

As the article you linked so aptly points out, the leftover conference team isn't likely to ever run out on the field at the Rose Bowl:

But this is important: when the Rose Bowl does not host a semifinal it will always be Big Ten vs. Pac-12. The Sugar Bowl in years it does not host a semifinal will always be Southeastern Conference vs. Big 12. The Orange Bowl in the years it does not host a semifinal will always be Atlantic Coast Conference vs. either an SEC team, a Big Ten team or Notre Dame.

Joining the MWC in its current form with its current revenue sharing just for the hint of a whiff of a hope of a sniff at a major bowl game just doesn't seem like a wise idea to me.