The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Uncle Ted]

here, lawyers, make sense of it.


http://t.co/P9ISY337

Paragraph 41. WVU claims that by the Big East accepting their $2.5M the Big East accepted their offer or proposal to immediately withdraw from the conference.

Paragraph 42. The "me too" argument: "TCU didn't have to wait 27 months so why should we?"

Paragraph 43. WVU claims breach of contract by the Big East Commissioner.

[LiveCoug]

please do not attempt to read a complaint again.

Done!

[Coach McGuirk]

I see at the end they demand a trial by jury. I suppose they filed in WV, so that should work out well.

[TripletDaddy]

Most likely that the Big East is no longer the same entity, that the BOD of the Big East failed to act in its best interests, etc.

I'm not crazy about 3D's argument becuse it's the breaches of contract that have bade the Big East not the same conference.

29. The denigration of the Big East football conference is a direct and proximate result of ineffective leadership and breach of fiduciary duties to the football schools by the Big East Conference and its Commissioner.
30. The Big East and its Commissioner failed to take proactive measures to maintain, let alone enhance, the level of competition for the Big East football schools...
34. This lack of leadership, breach of fiduciary duties by the Big East and its Commissioner...resulted in the Big East no longer being a viable and competitive football conferenc....Accordingly, the Big East Conference and its Commissioner, through their actions, breached their contract to WVU and nullified and voided the Bylaws.

[LiveCoug]

With apologies to DDD, I read some more....


32. The departure of members Pittsburgh, UCONN and TCU created an imbalance and disparity between the football and non-football playing schools that was neither contemplated nor addressed in the Bylaws.


Ummm. UCONN?

[Uncle Ted]

With apologies to DDD, I read some more....


32. The departure of members Pittsburgh, UCONN and TCU created an imbalance and disparity between the football and non-football playing schools that was neither contemplated nor addressed in the Bylaws.


Ummm. UCONN?

Yeah, so where's UCONN going? Don't tell me the lawyers that wrote this up mistaken UConn for Syracuse.

[LiveCoug]

Yeah, so where's UCONN going? Don't tell me the lawyers that wrote this up mistaken UConn for Syracuse.

They must have. The very next point just says Pittsburgh, Syracuse and TCU.

They messed up...

[Uncle Ted]

They must have. The very next point just says Pittsburgh, Syracuse and TCU.

They messed up...

Stoopid lawyers.

[myboynoah]

Yeah, so where's UCONN going? Don't tell me the lawyers that wrote this up mistaken UConn for Syracuse.

LOL

It's West Virginia afterall.

[Eddie]

Didn't someone post earlier that Neinas said WVU notified the BE in July that it was leaving? That predates Syracuse, Pitt and TCU.

Nope, it was just ambiguously worded...

As I understand it, WVU just told the BE that they are leaving this past week. So their announcement does not predate the announcement by Syracuse, Pitt, or TCU.

However, those two schools are abiding by the law of their contract. Waiting the 27 months before they join their new conference.. This 2 year window should give BE enough time to move on stabilizing their conference. WVU did not give them enough time to respond..


Should get interesting..

Who cares about stabilizing the conference if the conference sucks?

The WAC moved to stabilize their conference, so why didn't BYU go ahead with the plan to put all of their sports outside of football there? It wasn't due to stability issues. It was because the new conference sucked compared to the old one.

Honestly - who can the Big East add to stabilize their conference that will give them the same perception of quality football (please try not to laugh) that they would have with Syracuse, Pitt, and TCU? No one is jumping on board.

So WVU's argument is that they have an opportunity to move right now. They may not have one in 27 months. Is the Big East going to take responsibility to assure WVU that if the conference loses revenue they will pay the difference? That if they lose an auto BCS bid they will make up that loss of cash? That is what WVU is interested - prestige and money. Not simple stability.

[UtahJazzFan88]

The actual Big East football conference is dead, they can try making the football league into a different name with same group of people, but they would need to add SMU, Houston, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Air Force into the West Division. Add UCF into a UCONN, UCF, USF, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati into an Eastern division, that's the only way they can actually try keeping their football conference decent, otherwise I think you merge into the C-USA/MWC merger and make it into a 90's WACx2.

[San Juan Sun]

The actual Big East football conference is dead, they can try making the football league into a different name with same group of people, but they would need to add SMU, Houston, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, Air Force into the West Division. Add UCF into a UCONN, UCF, USF, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati into an Eastern division, that's the only way they can actually try keeping their football conference decent, otherwise I think you merge into the C-USA/MWC merger and make it into a 90's WACx2.

Please cite your sources.

[TripletDaddy]

I have been a huge fan of the B12 move, but this WVU thing really stinks up the joint.

In a way, what's happening with WVU typifies what's wrong with America. I'm a big fan of prosperity, but I'm a bigger fan of doing it honorably.

I haven't read through anything legal and, sure, there's probably a reasonable argument that the BEast failed WVU in some way, but if WVU were my son, I'd slap him upside the head.

I guess you can't expect much from people whose fan base celebrates by burning couches. This B12 thing has a lot of bad karma following it around right now. This is 180 degrees but I say: fuck the B12. If dishonor is what you foster and endorse, we don't need you.

We have plenty of alternatives.

So are you changing your predictions from last week? Already?

[Viking]

I think the bigger the Beast morphs, the more it dilutes itself and creates a greater risk of losing AQ status. Keep it at the 10 teams they are discussing and let everyone else scramble.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Please cite your sources.

Sources of what? It's been floated around many different sites, and I assume you or someone else posted it in the Big East thread (don't feel like looking right now). I really don't mind the that West/East division idea of the "Big East" (New name please.), but BYU would still need to keep their current TV contract in tact if so, otherwise they need to stay independent. The whole point of joining the Big East with other top quality non-AQ teams is easier access to the BCS, while still keeping the TV contract.

I think the independent schedule will get better, and it already is by 2013/14, but I could argue that the schedule with the group of teams that has been suggested makes the independent schedule probably weaker than a Big East one.