The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[shoganai]

Look, I'm being serious now. I do troll a little. But I'm always truthful with you guys (to the extent I choose to speak). I don't put a gloss on anything. I try to add a little charm, a dash of irony, some wit, but truth is always the point. (Granted, I have some opinions, and those are just opinoions, but they're for real what I think.)

You won't ever see the inside of the Big 12. That's what I really think. I also mean what I say about general authorities, etc.

Sorry (just being honest).

Yes, when I think of SeattleUte, words like charm, wit, and truth are always the first to come to mind.

[oxcoug]

Here is my summary of what I think happened.

Utah and Colorado were in all along as naturals. Texas was a fun project.

No university trustees want BYU because it's too under the control of an ultra-socially conservative and biblically literate religion and too high maintenance (Texas bacially=Cal, Stanford, fucla, Washington).

You'll see; as the years pass and BYU remains on the outside looking in my supposition will be proved right, just as BYU-Utah/Pac eventually was. Ten years ago I used to say what happened re the Pac would happen and no one beleived me. It's all over on CB's archives as well as here.

Sometimes you wake up and realize you agree with SU about something - as I posted here, BYU discriminates all the time against non-Mormons and this factors and has factored in the PAC's attitudes toward BYU in recent years.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=5628243

[oxcoug]

Look, I'm being serious now. I do troll a little. But I'm always truthful with you guys (to the extent I choose to speak). I don't put a gloss on anything. I try to add a little charm, a dash of irony, some wit, but truth is always the point. (Granted, I have some opinions, and those are just opinoions, but they're for real what I think.)

You won't ever see the inside of the Big 12. That's what I really think. I also mean what I say about general authorities, etc.

Sorry (just being honest).

Having agreed with SU on one level in my last post, let me comment that this opinion post of his is completely meaningless.

Facts are: (a) there was an extended conversation bt BYU and the Big 12 which came very close to landing BYU there, (b) the conversation isn't over.

SU my technically be right that BYU won't end up there - but it's a percentage bet that anyone could make, and he has no idea how close he is to being right or wrong. His opinion on this subject is more a glimpse of his bright red stockings than it is an informed statement.

[Paperback Writer]

I think there is not as much difference between Cal/Stanford and Texas or even Cal and Oklahoma as you might think. Academic communities are all largely the same in terms of values (I don't preceive a huge taxpayer groundswell to coerce a BYU invitation, if someone wants to argue that the life blood of the universities are subject to political will).

I'm complimenting you. BYU qualifies applying all the objective criteria, even research (vis-a-vis the Big 12). So, why isn't a word being uttered anywhere about BYU to the Big 12? It's about values?

I remind everyone again, athletics is like a very small tail on the dog here. BYU athletics turned $6 million profit last year? You don't say. As we pointed out in another thread, Michigan gets $1 billion per annum in research grants and contracts, based on its academic reputation and the standing of its professors. In contrast, its entire Michigan varsity sports budget is $59 mllion, about the size of its engineering school's.

There is a lot of talk to get the Big 12 back to 12 teams in order to play a CCG in Cowboy Stadium and to provide more stability to a teetering Big 12. I'm very familar with most Big 12 schools and there's not this "values gap" between the Big 12 and BYU like you suggest. Texas is probably the most liberal of all the Big 12 schools (now that Colorado has departed) and most Longhorns are OK with BYU in the Big 12. They already have Baylor, a large private, conserative, religious school. And BYU has better facilities and is more athletically accomplished than Baylor. The real problem is that there isn't another program out there like BYU to bring the Big 12 back to 12 teams. BYU can carry it's own weight as far as athletic revenues but there is not another program that can. And that is why BYU is independent and not in the Big 12. Not because there is some cultural divide.

[Babs]

There is a lot of talk to get the Big 12 back to 12 teams in order to play a CCG in Cowboy Stadium and to provide more stability to a teetering Big 12. I'm very familar with most Big 12 schools and there's not this "values gap" between the Big 12 and BYU like you suggest. Texas is probably the most liberal of all the Big 12 schools (now that Colorado has departed) and most Longhorns are OK with BYU in the Big 12. They already have Baylor, a large private, conserative, religious school. And BYU has better facilities and is more athletically accomplished than Baylor. The real problem is that there isn't another program out there like BYU to bring the Big 12 back to 12 teams. BYU can carry it's own weight as far as athletic revenues but there is not another program that can. And that is why BYU is independent and not in the Big 12. Not because there is some cultural divide.

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[DU Ute]

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That says a lot.

[Surfah]

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This is a historic moment folks.

[Green Monstah]

Yes, you might be right. Given BYU's business school and the most recent law school rankings they might be a better fit in the Ivy League athletic conference.

Wait, did you say that with a straight face?

[USUC]

Looks like the Big-12 is all $quared away and will stand pat at 10. They just closed a pretty big deal with Fox Sports.

-$90 million annually, more than four times the $20 million Fox Sports pays now
-Minimum 40 games each year, and commissioner Dan Beebe said every Big 12 home game will now be televised
-The 13-year deal, worth $1.17 billion, goes into effect beginning with the 2012-13 school year

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-tv-deal-means

Fox Sports is really invested in this. I guess they are making the push to compete with ESPN. I almost never watch Fox Sports. Maybe a little for the Jazz and the few interesting PAC or Big-12 games they actually carry. It seems ESPN isn't fighting seriously for exclusive rights to broadcast teams in the west. I haven't been paying much attention to the happenings of TV rights. Has the PAC already worked out its TV deal?. If so, where does Fox Sports and ESPN stand in all of it?

[Surfah]

Looks like the Big-12 is all $quared away and will stand pat at 10. They just closed a pretty big deal with Fox Sports.



http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-tv-deal-means

Fox Sports is really invested in this. I guess they are making the push to compete with ESPN. I almost never watch Fox Sports. Maybe a little for the Jazz and the few interesting PAC or Big-12 games they actually carry. It seems ESPN isn't fighting seriously for exclusive rights to broadcast teams in the west. I haven't been paying much attention to the happenings of TV rights. Has the PAC already worked out its TV deal?. If so, where does Fox Sports and ESPN stand in all of it?

The problem with Fox is you get regional coverage and little national coverage. The Utes can comment as I don't know for sure, but I thought that the Pac has been working out a TV deal with Fox. As to the Big 12, ESPN got who they wanted out of it, Texas. They could leave the scraps to Fox who I think overpaid, big time. But this has to bode well for the Pac 10 negotiations I'd think.

[landpoke]

(b) the conversation isn't over.

Is late night drunk dialing the gal who turned you down really a conversation?

[Red Legger]

Looks like the Big-12 is all $quared away and will stand pat at 10. They just closed a pretty big deal with Fox Sports.

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I'd say it's about halfway done. The real action comes w/ the Big 12's first tier broadcasting rights w/ ABC/ESPN in 2015. The FSN deal just gives Beebe enough money to keep aTm happy and in the fold. If Beebe and the Big 12 want the kinda money outta ABC/ESPN that it appears they'll want, I'd expect them to expand the portfolio a bit. I cannot imagine ABC/ESPN paying 1.5 billion plus and still sitting there on championship Saturday throwing UT 11-0 UT against 4-7 aTm. It just won't make any sense. Appears to me that BYU + one would fit the bill. Ya'll just need another partner.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[KillerDog]

I'd say it's about halfway done. The real action comes w/ the Big 12's first tier broadcasting rights w/ ABC/ESPN in 2015. The FSN deal just gives Beebe enough money to keep aTm happy and in the fold. If Beebe and the Big 12 want the kinda money outta ABC/ESPN that it appears they'll want, I'd expect them to expand the portfolio a bit. I cannot imagine ABC/ESPN paying 1.5 billion plus and still sitting there on championship Saturday throwing UT 11-0 UT against 4-7 aTm. It just won't make any sense. Appears to me that BYU + one would fit the bill. Ya'll just need another partner.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

Any idea how talks with Notre Dame are going? ND to the Big XII North with BYU as the 12th team.

[Top Ute]

Any idea how talks with Notre Dame are going? ND to the Big XII North with BYU as the 12th team.

BYU will do away with no Sunday play before Notre Dame joins a conference. Both elements are viewed as integral components in their respective identities, and no amount of money in the world is going to change that. We saw that with Notre Dame still stiff-arming the Big 10 Network.

This might draw some snickers, but BYU fans should be huge New Mexico fans for football. Everything else the Lobos have would make it a great fit for the Big 12, and having BYU in the North and add a private, religious school to complement Baylor in the south would be a positive.

If someone can give me a better geographical, academic, cultural and athletic fit (save for the obvious sport that's already been addressed) for the Big 12 than UNM, I'd like to hear about it. In any event, a BYU-UNM tandem into the Big 12 could work.

[ERCougar]

BYU will do away with no Sunday play before Notre Dame joins a conference. Both elements are viewed as integral components in their respective identities, and no amount of money in the world is going to change that. We saw that with Notre Dame still stiff-arming the Big 10 Network.

This might draw some snickers, but BYU fans should be huge New Mexico fans for football. Everything else the Lobos have would make it a great fit for the Big 12, and having BYU in the North and add a private, religious school to complement Baylor in the south would be a positive.

If someone can give me a better geographical, academic, cultural and athletic fit (save for the obvious sport that's already been addressed) for the Big 12 than UNM, I'd like to hear about it. In any event, a BYU-UNM tandem into the Big 12 could work.

Do they not care about their basketball identity?

The more they flounder in football, the less people care about them, the more they'll listen to money. Identity, schmidentity.