The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Uncle Ted]

[Uncle Ted]

But I do hold out some hope that Turner Gill can preform miraculous things and that Missouri is also successful (stay with me on this one). In short, Kansas and Missouri somehow become a Texas and OU. The reason for this hope is that Kansas and Missouri become attractive to the Big Ten and Jim Delaney opens the door. Then Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa can become a division in a 16-team Big Ten conference. Perhaps a pipe dream.

Yes, that is a pipe dream...

[Paperback Writer]

Yes, that is a pipe dream...

I would have thought the same thing a year ago if someone would have told me that Nebraska would be playing in the Big Ten in 2011 and not be playing Kansas (the longest running FBS football series).

I admit that the only way Kansas and Missouri turn into a Texas and OU is if the NCAA forces a uniform swap through judicial fiat. But if 16-team conferences are the future, I have little doubt that Kansas and Missouri end up in the Big Ten. But I don't think 16-team conferences occur anytime soon.

I do think the Big 12 will be unstable becasue of the revenue inequality between Texas and everyone else. All depends upon if OU and Texas A&M decide to live with it or not. Those are the only programs with any leverage left in the Big 12.

[Red Legger]

The Big 10 isn't going to 16 teams.

And KU/Mizzou aren't going to be invited. More likely is that what's left of the Big 12 Norte leverages a deal w/ the football playing schools of the Big East to create a new 12 team BCS league and one heckuva MBB conference. The move by TCU makes this even more tempting for KU as it would retain its position for DFW recruiting and improve its MBB competion (which is what KU really cares about).

Also, KU Football isn't screwed if we make the right moves. We have top 10 level facilities, our AD revenues are always in the top 20, we sit in the middle of a top 30 metro area and we've won an Orange Bowl w/in the last 5 years. College football is as much about setting up the board as it is about playing the game (ask the Bucktoothed Wizard in Mancrappie about that one). Playing a straight round-robin against the Okies/Tejans who treat recruiting like a blood sport ain't exactly setting the board up for success. The Big 12 will expand soon or dissolve. Honestly, I could use a vist to Fort Collins to let the Hawks heal up between Norman and Austin.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[SeattleUte]

was BYU to the Big12 all made up by Utah fans who wanted to torture and laugh at BYU fans?

Not by me. I always said it wasn't true. It's all here.

[LA Ute]

was BYU to the Big12 all made up by Utah fans who wanted to torture and laugh at BYU fans?

I don't think so. A BYU invitation to the Big 12 does not seem to me to be a stretch at all.

[TripletDaddy]

Not by me. I always said it wasn't true. It's all here.

Lol.

I love your style.

[SeattleUte]

Lol.

I love your style.

Look, I'm being serious now. I do troll a little. But I'm always truthful with you guys (to the extent I choose to speak). I don't put a gloss on anything. I try to add a little charm, a dash of irony, some wit, but truth is always the point. (Granted, I have some opinions, and those are just opinoions, but they're for real what I think.)

You won't ever see the inside of the Big 12. That's what I really think. I also mean what I say about general authorities, etc.

Sorry (just being honest).

[falafel]

Look, I'm being serious now. I do troll a little. But I'm always truthful with you guys (to the extent I choose to speak). I don't put a gloss on anything. I try to add a little charm, a dash of irony, some wit, but truth is always the point. (Granted, I have some opinions, and those are just opinoions, but they're for real what I think.)

You won't ever see the inside of the Big 12. That's what I really think. I also mean what I say about general authorities, etc.

Sorry (just being honest).

So, these would fall under the opinion heading, right?

[Paperback Writer]

You won't ever see the inside of the Big 12. That's what I really think.

I understand why BYU was not invited to the PAC-10. But why would the Big 12 exclude BYU? The Big12 has a very different culture than the PAC schools and the Big 12 already has a large, private religious school in Baylor. And it's not like BYU will somehow stain the Big 12's academic reputation; it already has Texas Tech, Oklahoma St., and Kansas St. in the conference.

Geography is somewhat of a problem. But what is holding BYU back is that there is not another acceptable school to bring into the Big 12 with BYU. If Nebraska had not left the Big 12 and joined the Big Ten, BYU would have been offered Colorado's spot in the Big 12.

[TripletDaddy]

Look, I'm being serious now. I do troll a little. But I'm always truthful with you guys (to the extent I choose to speak). I don't put a gloss on anything. I try to add a little charm, a dash of irony, some wit, but truth is always the point. (Granted, I have some opinions, and those are just opinoions, but they're for real what I think.)

You won't ever see the inside of the Big 12. That's what I really think. I also mean what I say about general authorities, etc.

Sorry (just being honest).

I believe you. That is why I love your style. Even when you are being 100% honest and, in my opinion, 100% right, you can still manage to sneak in a well timed and clever shot.

In a way, this entire thread should be archived and saved somewhere in a time capsule as a sampling of the pulse of the BYU collective. These expansion threads and Mitt Romney Has A Chance threads are fascinating examples of a sort of Mormon brand of delusional anthropocentrism that BYU fans (and many l.d.s.) exhibit when it comes to how they are perceived in certain circles.

[Uncle Ted]

Geography is somewhat of a problem. But what is holding BYU back is that there is not another acceptable school to bring into the Big 12 with BYU. If Nebraska had not left the Big 12 and joined the Big Ten, BYU would have been offered Colorado's spot in the Big 12.

Yes, replacing Colorado with BYU would have been a "no-brainer" and a good upgrade to the Big 12.

[SeattleUte]

I understand why BYU was not invited to the PAC-10. But why would the Big 12 exclude BYU? The Big12 has a very different culture than the PAC schools and the Big 12 already has a large, private religious school in Baylor. And it's not like BYU will somehow stain the Big 12's academic reputation; it already has Texas Tech, Oklahoma St., and Kansas St. in the conference.

Geography is somewhat of a problem. But what is holding BYU back is that there is not another acceptable school to bring into the Big 12 with BYU. If Nebraska had not left the Big 12 and joined the Big Ten, BYU would have been offered Colorado's spot in the Big 12.

I think there is not as much difference between Cal/Stanford and Texas or even Cal and Oklahoma as you might think. Academic communities are all largely the same in terms of values (I don't preceive a huge taxpayer groundswell to coerce a BYU invitation, if someone wants to argue that the life blood of the universities are subject to political will).

I'm complimenting you. BYU qualifies applying all the objective criteria, even research (vis-a-vis the Big 12). So, why isn't a word being uttered anywhere about BYU to the Big 12? It's about values?

I remind everyone again, athletics is like a very small tail on the dog here. BYU athletics turned $6 million profit last year? You don't say. As we pointed out in another thread, Michigan gets $1 billion per annum in research grants and contracts, based on its academic reputation and the standing of its professors. In contrast, its entire Michigan varsity sports budget is $59 mllion, about the size of its engineering school's.

[falafel]

So, why isn't a word being uttered anywhere about BYU to the Big 12? It's about values?

Why isn't a word being uttered anywhere about any school to the Big 12?

[Uncle Ted]

I think there is not as much difference between Cal/Stanford and Texas or even Cal and Oklahoma as you might think. Academic communities are all largely the same in terms of values (I don't preceive a huge taxpayer groundswell to coerce a BYU invitation, if someone wants to argue that the life blood of the universities are subject to political will).

I'm complimenting you. BYU qualifies applying all the objective criteria, even research (vis-a-vis the Big 12). So, why isn't a word being uttered anywhere about BYU to the Big 12? It's about values?

I remind everyone again, athletics is like a very small tail on the dog here. BYU athletics turned $6 million profit last year? You don't say. As we pointed out in another thread, Michigan gets $1 billion per annum in research grants and contracts, based on its academic reputation and the standing of its professors. In contrast, its entire Michigan varsity sports budget is $59 mllion, about the size of its engineering school's.

Yes, you might be right. Given BYU's business school and the most recent law school rankings they might be a better fit in the Ivy League athletic conference.