The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Coach McGuirk]

If you're talking about balancing the conference out, I think Texas and OU would prefer to come from different divisions, no? Let them have the possibility of facing each other in the CCG, no?

So maybe:

North/west:
BYU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Kansas
K-State
Missouri

South/east:
Louisville
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Iowa State
Cincinnati

No?

No. They want to play every year. But they don't want to play each other twice either.

[Sizzle]

Then we rarely get to Texas.

So zip it like:

Zip:
BYU
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Baylor
Kansas
Missouri

Per:
Oklahoma
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Cincinnati
Iowa St.
Louisville

[myboynoah]

So zip it like:

Zip:
BYU
Oklahoma St.
Texas
Baylor
Kansas
Missouri

Per:
Oklahoma
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Cincinnati
Iowa St.
Louisville

DEAL!!!!

Where do I sign?

[Moliere]

If you're talking about balancing the conference out, I think Texas and OU would prefer to come from different divisions, no? Let them have the possibility of facing each other in the CCG, no?

So maybe:

North/west:
BYU
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Kansas
K-State
Missouri

South/east:
Louisville
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Iowa State
Cincinnati

No?

In some sense it's a fools errand to "balance" things out given that programs will change and things are always cyclical. Sure Texas and Oklahoma will usually be up, but 20 years from now (if the Big 12 is still together) the power could be where it wasnt anticipated at first.

However, I'd love any divisions where BYU plays Texas every year for obvious reasons.

[NorthwestUteFan]

In some sense it's a fools errand to "balance" things out given that programs will change and things are always cyclical. Sure Texas and Oklahoma will usually be up, but 20 years from now (if the Big 12 is still together) the power could be where it wasnt anticipated at first.

However, I'd love any divisions where BYU plays Texas every year for obvious reasons.

Given the equal profit sharing agreement, it may level the playing field (somewhat). Texas and Oklahoma will likely still be near the top of the heap every year but at least they won't be ahead by many tens of millions per year over everybody else, at least by revenue. (Texas will still have its $158MM athletic budget...)

I like the current system the PAC uses, where we play everybody in our division and all but two in the other division every year, rotating the skips in 2-year increments, with a home-home return the following year with each. Also all of the Cali schools play each other every year. We had Washington at home this year, and WSU, CAL, and Oregon State on the road - next year we have them at home and UW here in Seattle). This maintains a bit of continuity between teams we play.

The death of the old Super WAC IMO was the 16 team rotation without immediate return games. It was very hard to get excited to play a team we wouldn't see again for 3-4 years.

The Pod system seemed to make a lot of sense for a 16-team league but AFAIK the PAC wasn't at all interested in that system.

Hopefully you will find a way to get into Tejas at least once every year, for recruiting purposes if for nothing else. Doesn't Texas put as many kids into D-1 football every year as the next three states combined?

[myboynoah]

Latest rumors have WV as a done deal to SEC, leaving the big 12 to invite byu, louisville and Cincinnati.


Not big on Cincinnati that just seems like a throw away to get to 12.

What about WVU, MU, and FSU to the SEC, going to 16 teams? Apparently some talk of that on the WVU boards.

[NorthwestUteFan]

What about WVU, MU, and FSU to the SEC, going to 16 teams? Apparently some talk of that on the WVU boards.

Will UF allow FSU into the fold? I thought that was an absolute veto from Gatorland.

Perhaps that rumor is wishful thinking from the Mountaineers or the Robert Byrds or whatever they are called.

[YOhio]

I really don't like the idea of Cincinnati in the Big 12. They suck at everything and they don't even have a statewide presence, much less a national one. Though I'd love to see BYU regularly play football/basketball a mere 45 minutes from my front door, I can't get beyond the reality that the Bearcats are merely a throw-in and they add little value to the conference.

[Omaha 680]

In some sense it's a fools errand to "balance" things out given that programs will change and things are always cyclical. Sure Texas and Oklahoma will usually be up, but 20 years from now (if the Big 12 is still together) the power could be where it wasnt anticipated at first.

This is true, and you need not look any farther than the Big 12 for an example. When the Big 12 came into existence in 1996, the North was the class of the league. Nebraska was coming off back to back National Championships, and would win a third in the second year of the league. Colorado was probably the second best program (in terms of competativeness) in the conference and a perennial top 10 team and Kansas State wasn't far behind. Oklahoma and Texas were both down by historical standards. 8 short years later, Colorado's program was a disaster that has yet to recover, Nebraska made a terrible coaching hire that set them back 5 years, and Kansas State faded badly after Snyder's first retirement. Oklahoma and Texas took over and have yet to relinquish control, but that doesn't mean they'll always be the top two teams.

[Red Legger]

You're in the Big 12 now, Baby.

Why would BYU need a practice facility for hoops? What does a separate building give you that the MC doesn't? Do other schools have b-ball practice facilities?

Get w/ the program. You build crap just to build crap. Then you take pictures of it and the guy down the street who doesn't have something like yours decides to build him some crap. Kinda like this:

1-2009-http://www.kansan.com/photos/galleri...tice_facility/

2-2010-[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_HV86bFeVk"]K-State's New Basketball Practice Facility - YouTube[/nomedia]

And if you're a poor Texas Baptist or an Iowa dirt farmer and you don't have the money to build the crap everyone else has built, you borrow the money and build you some crap.

You guys really need to get up to speed on this. "IT'S THE BIG TWELVE."

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[Red Legger]

I'd have to agree.

This is true, and you need not look any farther than the Big 12 for an example. When the Big 12 came into existence in 1996, the North was the class of the league. Nebraska was coming off back to back National Championships, and would win a third in the second year of the league. Colorado was probably the second best program (in terms of competativeness) in the conference and a perennial top 10 team and Kansas State wasn't far behind. Oklahoma and Texas were both down by historical standards. 8 short years later, Colorado's program was a disaster that has yet to recover, Nebraska made a terrible coaching hire that set them back 5 years, and Kansas State faded badly after Snyder's first retirement. Oklahoma and Texas took over and have yet to relinquish control, but that doesn't mean they'll always be the top two teams.

This is the truth. Just look at the old Bucktoothed Wizard over in Mancrappie w/ KSjU. Sitting there watching RGIII score at will while his QB can barely throw the ball over the LOS. Then that old fart proceeds to shake every old trick known to man to shorten the game, keep it w/in a score and give his toothless Mildcats a shot at the end. The man's a dam genius. Give him another year or two to get his juco system back in place and there will be hell to pay.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[Red Legger]

I'll take it.

If those are indeed the teams that get invited, I would go east west split,

East

Louisville
Cincinatti
Kansas
Kansas state
Iowa State
Missouri

West

Texas
Texas tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
BYU

I don't know if we ever win that division. Let alone CCG.

Right now, the Hawks are 2 and 2 and facing four straight weeks of top twenty teams starting on the road in Stoolwater and including the Gooners in Larryville. Tough stretch. I'd rather enjoy taking the week off to play the Bearcats.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[Red Legger]

Not going to happen.

What about WVU, MU, and FSU to the SEC, going to 16 teams? Apparently some talk of that on the WVU boards.

Missoura is going nowhere.

http://www.tigerboard.com/

They don't have the guts. Our interim Big 12 commissioner played this brilliantly. Basically called their bluff in a non-confrontational manner by reminding them of their ties to the Border WAR and KC, dropped a few subtle hints about exit fees and it ended. Dan Beebe should take some notes.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[Uncle Ted]

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[Marvelous]

Worst. Timing. Ever.

I hate this. We are in the middle of a season and I am more focussed on this thread than any of the actual game threads. I really just want this to all end so I can focus on football again.

End rant.