The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[creekster]

I agree 100%. Even with a bad record in conference play you are still insured for future seaons (i.e. you still get to play OU and Texas every year). Plus, you still get your share of the money. I don't see a negative here. BYU fans would adjust just fine. Sure there are some that would stop going to the game, but those numbers are small. This season is a perfect example: even though we aren't very good, how fun would it be to have top ranked OU coming to Provo next week? I'd be excited!

OTOH, if we stink it up for a few years as an independent, then all the good schools will want to schedule us because we will be an easy victory but all of our indy loving fans will still show up. Except for a few of us here on CUF, that is.

[TripletDaddy]

We know how accurate some of the inside sources have been and how higly you regard them

A source "close to BYU" who admits in the same quote that he doesn't know. Nice.

I think I said we should wait for more credible evidence.

I was simply pointing out that I don't think the author is claiming the same source for both portions of the blurb. As you read it, do you agree? or do you think the B12 "source" is also the "source" speaking about BYU?

[Jacob]

I think I said we should wait for more credible evidence.

I was simply pointing out that I don't think the author is claiming the same source for both portions of the blurb. As you read it, do you agree? or do you think the B12 "source" is also the "source" speaking about BYU?

I read it as you did. But the quote itself belies that the source was very close to BYU's decision makers. So it might as well have been a source not close to BYU.

[dabrockster]

To quote from Short Circuit, "Bimbo!". lol

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[lambdacoug]

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[WashingtonCoug]

I think most BYU fans would disagree with this. I'd rather see BYU play with the Big Boys more than anything... Having a OU vs BYU or a BYU vs Baylor of BU vs KSU etc sound much more fun then SJSU,. Weber St. USU etc...

Even if we lose more I'd still be pumped about those games vs the lames ass schedule we got going on right now... Hell, they are still trying to fill schedules for next year etc...

If we have continual seasons like Arizona and Colorado do, we won't fill up half of LES. The unfortunate truth is our fanbase (just like Utah's) won't come to games if we're not winning. However, the stadium will always be full if we're winning. Even if it is against Weber, SJSU and USU.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I would most definitely go independent rather than having losing season after losing season. I would rather be BYU and independent and winning games than Arizona, Colorado or Utah.

This is what the argument for independence over the B12 is. Winning fills the seats and provides donors it doesn't matter about the competition. When BYU was winning in the late 70s-early 90s they were playing garbage home schedules but winning almost every home game. They averaged 100%+ capacity. From 1992 when they started playing tougher home games and not winning all of them they stopped selling 100% of tickets.

I had this discussion once with BYU71 on CG.
http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...2&postcount=60

[WashingtonCoug]

Baloney

I would rather be Boise State than Colorado, Arizona or Iowa State.

[Coach McGuirk]

I would rather be Boise State than Colorado, Arizona or Iowa State.

we haven't been boise either. S, JBH!

[lambdacoug]

This is what the argument for independence over the B12 is. Winning fills the seats and provides donors it doesn't matter about the competition. When BYU was winning in the late 70s-early 90s they were playing garbage home schedules but winning almost every home game. They averaged 100%+ capacity. From 1992 when they started playing tougher home games and not winning all of them they stopped selling 100% of tickets.

I had this discussion once with BYU71 on CG.
http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...2&postcount=60

The failed logic in this is that you can't compare a home schedule draw against WAC/MWC foes and the likes of OU, UT, TT, OSU and other Big 12 teams.

[WashingtonCoug]

we haven't been boise either. S, JBH!

We were in the 70's through the early 90's. Then we left ESPN and what was working for us. We spent the better part of the 2000's not on ESPN and trying to be a program that we aren't.

I have no idea what S, JBH means.

[Flystripper]

This is what the argument for independence over the B12 is. Winning fills the seats and provides donors it doesn't matter about the competition. When BYU was winning in the late 70s-early 90s they were playing garbage home schedules but winning almost every home game. They averaged 100%+ capacity. From 1992 when they started playing tougher home games and not winning all of them they stopped selling 100% of tickets.

I had this discussion once with BYU71 on CG.
http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...2&postcount=60

It is true that BYU fans are stupid. However, I think that losing to the Big 12 teams would have less of an impact on attendance than losing to WAC teams.

[WashingtonCoug]

It is true that BYU fans are stupid. However, I think that losing to the Big 12 teams would have less of an impact on attendance than losing to WAC teams.

If we're so bad that we're going to be losing to WAC teams, we might as well quite right now. If we're losing to WAC teams, then we're getting blown out and shut out by Big 12 teams. Either of those scenarios means a half filled stadium or worse.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The failed logic in this is that you can't compare a home schedule draw against WAC/MWC foes and the likes of OU, UT, TT, OSU and other Big 12 teams.

BYU had so much demand for tickets playing WAC or sub-WAC foes like Bowling Green and Long Beach State that it required 20,000 seats (50% of capacity) expansion to the stadium. Since BYU started scheduling harder opponents 1-3 times a year in 1992 they only have 3-4 years of averaging a sell out.

So if BYU were to continue to win these harder games at the current % they are winning them you would see a need for the stadium to expand by 30,000 seats (50% of current capacity) when?

[il Padrino Ute]

If we have continual seasons like Arizona and Colorado do, we won't fill up half of LES. The unfortunate truth is our fanbase (just like Utah's) won't come to games if we're not winning. However, the stadium will always be full if we're winning. Even if it is against Weber, SJSU and USU.

There is a lot of truth to this regarding the fair weather fans. However, I see that as a plus, as I won't have to deal with the idiots who only showed up after Meyer's first season. I had fun at the games before this decade and will continue to have fun now. Even if Utah returns to sucktitude, it's better to be in a conference that allows me to see teams like USC and ASU come to town every other year and teams like Oregon and Stanford in RES every 4 years.