The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Coach McGuirk]

Wait, what?

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

No I meant why did Viking let me down? After I volunteered to start a proxy thread for his posts and he didn't even PM me. Instead he went with someone else. I don't know if I even want to go to Rio anymore.

[Viking]

Reunited and it feels so good......

I would really object to having Utah in the B12.

1. From a revenue perspective, there's not much difference in market gain than Wyoming. And I'd much rather drink with Landpoke than SU.

2. Utah, from an academic perspective, is not close enough to BYU and UT.

3. There's no national draw association with Utah...no real established history of football excellence and their basketball program is in shambles.

4. U of who? What? Utah? Isn't that a community college?

[TripletDaddy]

I am glad you took the effort to point out that you think the analogy doesnt work. I am sorry you dont like it. I did. C'est la vie.

I didn't even mention your analogy. although I agree that it doesn't work. I was simply saying that I don't think SeattleUte predicted all of these events.

[Viking]

No I meant why did Viking let me down? After I volunteered to start a proxy thread for his posts and he didn't even PM me. Instead he went with someone else. I don't know if I even want to go to Rio anymore.

See this clip: http://www.killerclips.com/clip.php?id=112&qid=1337

[Gaffords]

And here is the "Oklahoma was bluffing the whole time" article...

http://newsok.com/article/3606281

The 'demands' are perfect. I already explained the unequal revenue sharing. It is so close to even right now that this only helps the BIG 12 image by making the last little bit 'equal'.

I said it from the beginning. Someone asked my impressions when this first started. I said this smells more like a ploy to bring in a bigger fish...

But ploy or not, lets look at the outcome of all this:

1. The SEC cannot add any teams of value without either pissing off Florida or Georgia.
2. They are forced to take teams like wvu/ecu/ect... which will destroy old rivalries.
3. This will cause instability inside the SEC.
4. The B1G is looking as uncertain as ever. Read this thread for explanation:
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/show....this-is-weird
There is a crack there that threatens to form a rift.
5. The Irish came face to face with the reality of Independence is a thing of the past. Depending on more raids on the BIG EAST, they might have to make a move as soon as next year.
6. The PAC is out of expansion options that add anything of value. (not knocking BYU, but they already said no. We all know BYU was blackballed over religion.)

"we didn't start this fight but we will finish it" lol

[Moliere]

I really think you guys are in, as soon as the other members of the warring family Big 12 get their undershorts untwisted. I really hope so, anyway. The annual rivalry game would be awesome. Plus, we'll have endless "our BCS conference is better than yours" smack. The fun will be neverending.

I'd like to hear some of the arguments that the PAC is a better football conference than the Bug 12, because honestly I have no idea where to start.

[Viking]

If BYU rejects being in the same conference in the buckle of the bible belt where so much confusion about the church exists I am going to be physically ill.

[LiveCoug]

Old Big 8 commish set to replace Beebe?

http://twitter.com/#!/McMurphyCBS/st...81014453075968

[Surfah]

Old Big 8 commish set to replace Beebe?

http://twitter.com/#!/McMurphyCBS/st...81014453075968

I can't think of a better choice.

[Top Ute]

I'd like to hear some of the arguments that the PAC is a better football conference than the Bug 12, because honestly I have no idea where to start.

Sagarin rankings, last 10 years:

2010: 1. Pac-10, 3. Big 12

2009: 3. Pac-10, 5. Big 12

2008: 2. Big 12, 4. Pac-10

2007: 2. Pac-10, 3. Big 12

2006: 3. Pac-10, 6. Big 12

2005: 3. Big 12, 4. Pac-10

2004: 2. Pac-10, 3.* Big 12 (Big 12 was actually fourth, but 1-A Indy was third, so they're third in terms of conference strength)

2003: 4. Pac-10, 5. Big 12

2002: 1. Big 12, 2. Pac-10

2001: 2. Big 12, 3. Pac-10

6-4 in favor of Pac-10, and 4 of the last 5 years

[Gaffords]

Old Big 8 commish set to replace Beebe?

http://twitter.com/#!/McMurphyCBS/st...81014453075968

Funny story... Beebe is OU's guy. They wanted him.
Texas wanted Jack Swarbrick (ND's AD)

[Surfah]

Sagarin rankings, last 10 years:

2010: 1. Pac-10, 3. Big 12

2009: 3. Pac-10, 5. Big 12

2008: 2. Big 12, 4. Pac-10

2007: 2. Pac-10, 3. Big 12

2006: 3. Pac-10, 6. Big 12

2005: 3. Big 12, 4. Pac-10

2004: 2. Pac-10, 3.* Big 12 (Big 12 was actually fourth, but 1-A Indy was third, so they're third in terms of conference strength)

2003: 4. Pac-10, 5. Big 12

2002: 1. Big 12, 2. Pac-10

2001: 2. Big 12, 3. Pac-10

6-4 in favor of Pac-10, and 4 of the last 5 years

Summon Pelagius!

Sagarin Pelagius

[Gaffords]

Sagarin rankings, last 10 years:

2010: 1. Pac-10, 3. Big 12

2009: 3. Pac-10, 5. Big 12

2008: 2. Big 12, 4. Pac-10

2007: 2. Pac-10, 3. Big 12

2006: 3. Pac-10, 6. Big 12

2005: 3. Big 12, 4. Pac-10

2004: 2. Pac-10, 3.* Big 12 (Big 12 was actually fourth, but 1-A Indy was third, so they're third in terms of conference strength)

2003: 4. Pac-10, 5. Big 12

2002: 1. Big 12, 2. Pac-10

2001: 2. Big 12, 3. Pac-10

6-4 in favor of Pac-10, and 4 of the last 5 years

[Viking]

Gaffords, stick around long enough and you'll find plenty of opportunities like this. It's almost as easy as picking apart aggy (though NOTHING is that easy!).

The Utes and their 45,000 seat Texas high school stadium believe that they somehow belong in the Pac16 beyond simple religious discrimination and are the greatest Pac12 shrills known to man.