The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[lambdacoug]

So what's your explanation for the Pac 12 selecting Utah over BYU?

Stupidity

[lambdacoug]

[SeattleUte]

Cold fusion was 26 years ago, and actually a media-made phenomenon. That's the best you can come up with?

Let's leave aside the fact that my litany of BYU's transgressions against progress are irrefutable. Do you really want to compare Utah's research cred with BYU's?

[SeattleUte]

Here is BYU's cold fusion guy. He's even a 9/11 denier! He worked closely with Pons and Fleishman and they were going to announce their findings together, but Pons and Fleishman betrayed him and cut him out. I have to a admit that at the time when I heard a BYU professor was involved I thought, wtf? this is probably BS.

Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann commenced their work at approximately the same time. Jones became aware of their work when they applied for research funding from the DOE, after which the DOE forwarded their proposal to Jones for peer review. When Jones realized that their work was similar, he and Pons and Fleischmann agreed to release their papers to Nature on the same day (March 24, 1989). However, Pons and Fleischmann announced their results at a press event the day before. Jones faxed his paper to Nature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven...talyzed_fusion

[Armenag]

Cold fusion was 26 years ago, and actually a media-made phenomenon. That's the best you can come up with?

Let's leave aside the fact that my litany of BYU's transgressions against progress are irrefutable. Do you really want to compare Utah's research cred with BYU's?

A media-made phenomenon that led to the actual President of the University stepping down?

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/13/us...ion-funds.html

And then there were these, etc.:

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/23/us...raud-case.html

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56...earch.html.csp

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...niversity.html

[San Juan Sun]

Here is BYU's cold fusion guy. He's even a 9/11 denier! He worked closely with Pons and Fleishman and they were going to announce their findings together, but Pons and Fleishman betrayed him and cut him out. I have to a admit that at the time when I heard a BYU professor was involved I thought, wtf? this is probably BS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven...talyzed_fusion

Thanks for that historical tidbit. I knew that U scientists were hacks, but I had no idea they were cutthroat glory hounds. Thanks SU!

[cougjunkie]

Interesting that Val Hale said The ADs voted to invite BYU to the Pac-12 but two university presidents threw a fit. He also said they were included in the original expansion but they had no real travel partner, Utah wasn't good enough. So in a way Utah ineptitude kept BYU out of the Pac.

[Brian]

[Crockett]

Here is BYU's cold fusion guy. He's even a 9/11 denier! He worked closely with Pons and Fleishman and they were going to announce their findings together, but Pons and Fleishman betrayed him and cut him out. I have to a admit that at the time when I heard a BYU professor was involved I thought, wtf? this is probably BS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven...talyzed_fusion

1. Pons was the head of Utah's chemistry department at the time, not just some random professor.

2. From your Wikipedia link on Jones, the BYU professor (NOT the head of the department) was not like Pons (and Fleischmann):

A New York Times article says that although peer reviewers were harshly critical of Pons' and Fleischmann's research, they did not apply such criticism to Jones' significantly more modest, theoretically supported findings. Although critics insisted that Jones' results were probably caused by experimental error,[18] the majority of the reviewing physicists claimed that he was a careful scientist. Later research and experiments have supported Jones' metallic "cold fusion" (geo-fusion) reports.[19]

So our professor had supportable cold fusion findings; yours did not.

3. I don't know if cold fusion is the best I can come up with, but it was certainly the easiest. I don't care enough to research how much additional "junk science" the U of U produces. Probably a lot.

4. BYU doesn't try to be a research university. We are a teaching university that does some research, too. We care about students; Utah cares about money. Even with all of your fancy research, most graduate programs -- where both BYU and Utah have one -- BYU is better. Maybe there is an exception or two in there. I wouldn't bring it up except you are being so rude.

[Donuthole]

1. Pons was the head of Utah's chemistry department at the time, not just some random professor.

2. From your Wikipedia link on Jones, the BYU professor (NOT the head of the department) was not like Pons (and Fleischmann):



So our professor had supportable cold fusion findings; yours did not.

3. I don't know if cold fusion is the best I can come up with, but it was certainly the easiest. I don't care enough to research how much additional "junk science" the U of U produces. Probably a lot.

4. BYU doesn't try to be a research university. We are a teaching university that does some research, too. We care about students; Utah cares about money. Even with all of your fancy research, most graduate programs -- where both BYU and Utah have one -- BYU is better. Maybe there is an exception or two in there. I wouldn't bring it up except you are being so rude.

HLS

[Red Legger]

Texas legislature is getting outmuscled by the Lt. Gov.

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I wasn't aware that Lt Gov of Teja$ gets a vote on this subject. Now if it were some obscure vice president at Disney making comments it might be interesting.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Beat Mizzou

[Jeff Lebowski]

Interesting that Val Hale said The ADs voted to invite BYU to the Pac-12 but two university presidents threw a fit. He also said they were included in the original expansion but they had no real travel partner, Utah wasn't good enough. So in a way Utah ineptitude kept BYU out of the Pac.

So most of the PAC12 schools were just fine with BYU?

Ha. SU is going to have to adjust his story.

[Bigfoot is Cain]

So what's your explanation for the Pac 12 selecting Utah over BYU?

Actually, your post contains a very lucid explanation for why I think Utah got the gold ring over BYU, then ends with a conclusion that really doesn't follow. I agree with the first part of your post. Rejecting an institution because it purveys a sexist culture and outlook, has junk science, fraudulent history, and a magic world view on the curriculum; hasn't acknowledged or apologized for the racism overtly preached on its campus for decades if not up to today, undertook surreptitious efforts to subvert same sex persons' civil rights, attempts to impose on putative sister institutions a medieval -- indeed an Old Testament -- characterization of our week's seventh day, metaphysically burns at the stake its professors who condemn the foregoing, is not bigotry. It's choosing not to formally associate with an institution whose values are repugnant to existing member institutions'.

You made my point for me. I don't agree with what you said, but most, if not all, Pac 12 schools align with your thinking. Of all the major conferences, the Pac 12 is by far the most liberal. When the Pac 12 hears stories of pot igloos on Utah's campus, they aren't embarrassed, they quietly smile and nod their approval. At the same time, most Pac 12 schools aren't dumb. They are aware of BYU's facilities, overall athletic program success, large fanbase spread across the Western U.S., and the TV ratings that BYU consistently draw. But the Pac 12 never even considered any of that because they didn't want to associate with BYU and the LDS church. They don't want BYU as a member, but they are very willing to play BYU and reap the ticket sales and TV ratings benefits.

[TripletDaddy]

Interesting strategy from cougarfan.com to get BYU into the B12

http://boards.cougarfan.com/t/tom-dr...e-crazy/2639/7

It is my opinion that one of the major advantages of having a site like this one is to be able to brainstorm ways to make our situation, as BYU Cougars, the best possible.

It would be more assuring if we knew that our AD and our HC and President of the University had someone on their staff monitoring that which is said, to insure that they get the benefit of our brainstorming. If they accept 1 out of 10 of our ideas, it would be a great success.


I think that one idea that could help attract more P5 teams to Provo, is if we have, in the contract, that our friendly team buses, would pick up the challenging team at the Salt Lake City Airport before the game and drive them to their destination in Provo, and after the game, when they are ready, our friendly buses, (win or lose), will return those teams back to the Salt Lake Airport to return home.

When we take the frustration away from those opposing teams, regarding the transportation arrangements, the teams might be more willing to consider coming to Provo.

[Flystripper]

simply brilliant!