The PAC 10 expansion groundswell

[DU Ute]

To Ute fans: How often will Utah win a Pac16 south/east title (if it happens)?

Once every 5 years
Once every 10 years
Once every 20 years
Never.

And winning the division that the Texas and Oklahoma schools are in doesn't even get you a conference championship. Once every 10 years would be a pretty rosy view, IMO. I think that's what was implied by the statement that Utah becomes the new Baylor It will not be able to compete for conference championships.

So, is it the death knell for BYU? No. BYU will continue to get the same $$ it currently gets. It will win more games, championships and have consistently better and more top 25 rankings than Utah.

Since its inception, Texas and Oklahoma have won the Big 12 South every year (since 96), except for 2 years that A&M won in the 90s.

The change will give Utah a recruiting advantage, but I'm not sure that will last for the Utah and LDS kids.

Honestly, winning a PAC16 title over the likes of UT, OU and USC once in 20 years with a shot at the NC would be better than winning a watered down MWC every other year for 20 years and going to the Vegas Bowl each time. I hope you guys are able to get into a decent conference, because I think it will hurt worse than some think if you don't.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

When I was watching the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary on the University of Miami, it was pointed out that once Miami became a football powerhouse, applications to the school skyrocketed.

BYU was pretty easy to get into up until around the late 80s or so. By the time I was a freshman in 1995, the average ACT was a 27 and GPA was a 3.8, a far cry from where it was prior to the mid to late 80s. Was there a mini baby boom that took place in the early to late 70s that caused this, or was BYU's success in athletics part of what happened. Does success in sports legitimatize and solidify a school's identity? I think a school can even have a decade long downturn in sports and still be okay once its established an "identity."

We're staring down the barrel of either three or four superconferences, none of which will involve BYU. The only one that will geographically fit with BYU is the Pac ___. If news reports are to be believed, BYU's only realistic long term option in the era of the mega conferences, was the Big 12.

BYU finds itself in this place because of three things:

1. A perception of a lack of academic freedom/quackery.

2. Lack of Sunday play.

3. Support for prop. 8.

The third factor, IMO, sealed the deal for schools like Stanford and Cal who were probably just barely getting over the fact that BYU's sponsoring institution supported the equivalent of religious apartheid until 1978 while the rest of the world, except for South Africa, had moved on. The Prop. 8 support just propped up dying opinions about the LDS church and brought that back to a fresh new life. Politically it was going to be impossible to allow BYU in.

The first factor probably could have been looked past in the end. The second factor maybe could have been worked around and BYU would have only been a member of the Pac ___, in sports that didn't play on Sunday (football, basketball), although I do think this would have been an uphill climb for BYU. But in all honesty, I wish BYU would have just swallowed its pride and made some concessions on this issue.

BYU and its sponsoring institution's refusal to compromise, and its steadfast support of an issue viewed as repugnant by the most elite institutions in the only superconference that BYU could have geographically ever become a part of, will effect more than just its sports programs. If Utah indeed becomes a part of the Pac ___, Utah, like Penn State in the Big 10, will come to reap the academic and monetary benefits because of its affiliation with Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA. Utah will begin to experience a rise in admission standards because many high school students will want to be part of an atmosphere that involves a Pac ___ school as opposed to BYU who will be playing in a conference that will be on the wrong side of an increasingly wide gulf.

[Jacob]

Honestly, winning a PAC16 title over the likes of UT, OU and USC once in 20 years with a shot at the NC would be better than winning a watered down MWC every other year for 20 years and going to the Vegas Bowl each time. I hope you guys are able to get into a decent conference, because I think it will hurt worse than some think if you don't.

Really? Once every generation is better than what you've had over the past 8 years? Maybe...if you are in close competition in many other years. But I think that may not be the case. A 3rd place finish will generally be the best case scenario.

[Hot Lunch]

Honestly, winning a PAC16 title over the likes of UT, OU and USC once in 20 years with a shot at the NC would be better than winning a watered down MWC every other year for 20 years and going to the Vegas Bowl each time. I hope you guys are able to get into a decent conference, because I think it will hurt worse than some think if you don't.

You do realize the deal isn't done right?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....92f8114a.html

[LA Ute]

To Ute fans: How often will Utah win a Pac16 south/east title (if it happens)?

Once every 5 years
Once every 10 years
Once every 20 years
Never.

And winning the division that the Texas and Oklahoma schools are in doesn't even get you a conference championship. Once every 10 years would be a pretty rosy view, IMO. I think that's what was implied by the statement that Utah becomes the new Baylor It will not be able to compete for conference championships.

So, is it the death knell for BYU? No. BYU will continue to get the same $$ it currently gets. It will win more games, championships and have consistently better and more top 25 rankings than Utah.

Since its inception, Texas and Oklahoma have won the Big 12 South every year (since 96), except for 2 years that A&M won in the 90s.

The change will give Utah a recruiting advantage, but I'm not sure that will last for the Utah and LDS kids.

Sheesh. I wish you guys had warned us. Had we known how horrible it would be for us in the PAC we wouldn't have gotten so excited about it. I still don't think it will happen but I am beginning to smell a BYU plot to get us out of your conference and leave you all with a very rosy setup. Curses!

[cougjunkie]

Sorry but no way can the Utes compete with this:

(this was after a full 2 hour workout)

[YOUTUBE]aReOloBmRkQ[/YOUTUBE]

[Babs]

Honestly, winning a PAC16 title over the likes of UT, OU and USC once in 20 years with a shot at the NC would be better than winning a watered down MWC every other year for 20 years and going to the Vegas Bowl each time. I hope you guys are able to get into a decent conference, because I think it will hurt worse than some think if you don't.

Can I nominate this for the 2010 Cuffy for most patronizing post of the year?

(I can't believe I wasted my 9999th post on this post.)

[Blueintheface]

To Ute fans: How often will Utah win a Pac16 south/east title (if it happens)?

Once every 5 years
Once every 10 years
Once every 20 years
Never.

And winning the division that the Texas and Oklahoma schools are in doesn't even get you a conference championship. Once every 10 years would be a pretty rosy view, IMO. I think that's what was implied by the statement that Utah becomes the new Baylor It will not be able to compete for conference championships.

So, is it the death knell for BYU? No. BYU will continue to get the same $$ it currently gets. It will win more games, championships and have consistently better and more top 25 rankings than Utah.

Since its inception, Texas and Oklahoma have won the Big 12 South every year (since 96), except for 2 years that A&M won in the 90s.

The change will give Utah a recruiting advantage, but I'm not sure that will last for the Utah and LDS kids.

Don't do this to yourself. It all ends badly if we're left out. Don't compound the problem by making assumptions neither you nor I could possibly know.

[Jacob]

Sheesh. I wish you guys had warned us. Had we known how horrible it would be for us in the PAC we wouldn't have gotten so excited about it. I still don't think it will happen but I am beginning to smell a BYU plot to get out of your conference and leave you all with a very rosy setup. Curses!

I just think that the PAC 10 would have been a much better set up. They are not nearly as strong as the proposed new division. At least there would have been some gimmie games in the pacific division.

[Jacob]

Don't do this to yourself. It all ends badly if we're left out. Don't compound the problem by making assumptions neither you nor I could possibly know.

Hmmm. So what assumptions are you making that lead to such a clear conclusion?

[Sizzle]

Sorry but no way can the Utes compete with this:

(this was after a full 2 hour workout)

[YOUTUBE]aReOloBmRkQ[/YOUTUBE]

My money is dude is definitely in his "bulking" phase.

[Blueintheface]

Hmmm. So what assumptions are you making that lead to such a clear conclusion?

If BYU is left out (conditional clause) we are persona (universitarium) nongrata...right? The conclusion I reach from that is I am left with all this BYU paraphenalia and a massive hangover.

[U-Ute]

Sorry but no way can the Utes compete with this:

(this was after a full 2 hour workout)

Oh noes! They liftsees weightsees. We're dooooomed!

[Babs]

Oh noes! They liftsees weightsees. We're dooooomed!

Don't worry. The claw determines who will go and who will stay.

[Flystripper]

I must be stupid. I really don't get why Texas would want to be in the same league as USC. Good grief, why let those californicators in our backyard, recruiting our boys??

The gods must be crazy.

it goes both ways. Texas wants in CA and CA wants in Texas.