Lets break it down by offers.........

[TripletDaddy]

Apo: BYU, Cal, Kansas State, Minnesota, Missourri, Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma State, Tulsa

good catch.

so one texas, one SC (later rescinded), around 3 or so OUs, zero Flordas. (not sure if Heaps had offered from any of these).

Why don't these schools want any of these kids? weird.

I am shocked that TCU had zero Texas offers. I am sure many of those kids are in-state recruits. And TCU has a good team. How can none of them have received an offer from Texas? strange.

[MarkGrace]

not a single TCU recruit had an offer from Texas?

It also looks like per this list, not a single recruit from any of these 3 schools had an offer from SC, Texas, or Florida? Or Oklahoma (not sure about that one)?

Did Heaps have offers from any of those schools?

Heaps definitely had an offer from Oklahoma, and I think Florida. Dude had offers from just about everyone.

[Commando]

I like mashed sweet potatoes.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

No, angst, just trying to have some fun given! (and trying to understand why the hype)



In all honesty, I don't get why BYU didn't want him. **** rivals, *** scout, and played in the Army game. CJ mentioned that BYU signed some guys who were class filler, so I don't get why they wouldn't make Fehoko an offer, even if they just considered him filler. I understand they made their evaluation of him and decided not to pursue, but with that resume and being LDS I kind of don't understand why you wouldn't at least take a chance on him. Oh well, apparently other schools agreed with BYU that his talent didn't match his resume and the schools that really pushed for him don't seem to match up with what you would expect of a kid in that position. I guess we'll see if those schools made a mistake...

I remember in the blowout game of 2001 that the Hawaii drummer, who someone said is Fehoko's dad, was really taunting BYU. I bet that is why.

[Commando]

Heaps definitely had an offer from Oklahoma, and I think Florida. Dude had offers from just about everyone.

yep. He had offers from all 3. Pete told him he'd offer a schollie if he committed on the spot, but he didn't.

[TripletDaddy]

I remember in the blowout game of 2001 that the Hawaii drummer, who someone said is Fehoko's dad, was really taunting BYU. I bet that is why.

Fehoko is embarrassed that his dad doesn't wear clothes to work and that he works on a field covered with trash.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Fehoko is embarrassed that his dad doesn't wear clothes to work and that he works on a field covered with trash.

His dad did give me a high five at the PCC one time though. I was wearing an Oregon shirt, was that a recruiting violation?

[cougjunkie]

Heaps end up with 40+ offers, including SC and Florida. Here is his top 10.

1. Alabama
2. BYU
3. California
4. Florida State
5. Georgia
6. LSU
7. Notre Dame
8. Oklahoma
9. Tennessee
10. Washington

[TripletDaddy]

His dad did give me a high five at the PCC one time though. I was wearing an Oregon shirt, was that a recruiting violation?

Oregon t shirt? I think he was trying to give you $5. Food, rent, whatever.

[MarkGrace]

I was wearing an Oregon shirt

I'm having a hard time believing this. Makes me question the veracity of your entire statement.

[U-Ute]

I will break down TCU, Utah and BYU. Also I will use Rivals since that is what SU loves.

As Corso would say, "Not so fast my friend!"

Taking your own list, let's break it down a bit further. You can't look at overall numbers since BYU signed so many more players than Utah and TCU did.

If a school only had 10 scholarships to offer, and they cleaned up at the top 10 players in the country, by your accounting, that would be a subpar class.

Instead, let's look at the percentage of players that had offers from other BCS schools. That gives you an idea of the quality of players that you are recruiting.

TCU signed 18 guys, of which 12 had offers from other BCS schools (66%)

• J. Anderson: TCU, Kansas, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Utah, UNLV, Vanderbilit
• Battle-Smith: TCU, Texas A&M, Baylor
• Brown: TCU, Arizona, East Carolina, Iowa State, Kansas State, Nebraska, Rice
• Bryant: TCU, North Texas, Iowa State, Tulsa
• Carter: TCU, Alabama, Louisana tech, Missourri, Nebraska, Mississippi State, Tulsa
• Sam Carter: TCU, Miami, Baylor, Houston, Louisville, Oklahoma State, SMU
• Grant: TCU, Wisconsin, Oregon, Minnesota
• Hawkins: TCU, AZ, ASU, Arkansas, Cal, Colorado, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Kentucky, Minny, Nebraska, Tulsa, Utah
• Johnson: TCU, Rice, Stanford, Texas Tech, UTEP, UCLA,
• Mallett: TCU, Arkansas, Baylor, Colorado, Houston, Oklahoma State, Wisconsin
• Olabode: TCU, Arizona, Baylor, Illinois, Iowa State, Kansas, La tech, Minny, Missourri, Nebraska, Kansas, SMU, Tulsa, Wisconsin
• Roberts: TCU, Kansas, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Purdue, SMU, Texas Tech

Utah signed 19 guys, of which 11 had offers from other BCS schools (57%)

• Bolton: Utah, Arizona, Baylor, Houston, Nebraska, Illinois, Iowa State, New Mexico State, North Texas, Rice, SMU, Wake Forest
• Collins: Utah, Missourri, UTEP
• Fehoko: Utah, Baylor, Cal, Colorado, Hawaii, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas Tech, UNLV, Utah State, Washington, West Virginia
• Kruger: Utah, Arizona, ASU, BYU, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington, Washington State
• Lotulelei: Utah, Oregon State, Utah State
• Payne: Utah, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Houston, Illinois, Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Oklahoma, Stanford, Northwestern, TCU, Vandy, Wake
• Reese: Utah, ASU, Baylor, Colorado, Colorado State, Memphis, Missourri, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M
• Scott: Utah, Colorado, Colorado State, Fresno State, Idaho, Michigan State, San Diego State, UTEP
• SMith: Utah, Iowa State, Fresno State, Wyoming
• Tupuoata: Utah, Washington, Oregon State
• Cullen: Utah, Arizona State, Arizona, Colorado, Florida State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, South Florida, Tennessee, USC.

BYU signed 26 guys, of which 14 had offers from other BCS schools (53%)

• Apo: BYU, Cal, Kansas State, Minnesota, Missourri, Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma State, Tulsa
• Fabuluje: BYU, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, North Texas, Purdue, TCU, Utah, San Diego State
• Fua: BYU, Arizona, Arizona State, Hawaii, Oregon State, Ohio State, UCLA, Washington
• Heaps: To many to list. Over 40 offers.
• Ho Ching: BYU, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Utah State
• Johnson: BYU, UCONN
• Kaufusi: BYU, Stanford (committed as a sophomore could have gone anywhere he wanted)
• Mulitalo: BYU, Navy, Washington, Washington State.
• Quezada: BYU, Utah, Colorado State, Fresno State, hawaii, San Diego State, Stanford, Washington, UCLA
• Phillips: BYU, SMU, Cincinatti, Central Michigan, Wyoming
• Rowley: BYU, Stanford, Colorado, Hawaii, SMU, Washington, UCLA
• Stout: BYU, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado State, Nebraska, Colorado, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
• Tuiloma: BYU, Kansas
• Tushaus: BYU, Air Force, Arizona, Arizona State, San Diego State, New Mexico State, UNLV

And, quite frankly, I feel a bit icky including guys whose only offers from BCS schools come from Big East schools, but, I left them in there.

U-Ute

[TheBYUGuy]

You can't look at overall numbers since BYU signed so many more players than Utah and TCU did.

This doesn't even make sense. You're treating it as though BYU signing more players is not good for BYU. Bottom line is that BYU got 14 of those players which is more than any other in the conference.

Using your logic, it's better for a team to have just two players sign on LOI day as long as they have BCS offers (100%!) than it is to have 15 sign with only 12 having BCS offers (only 80%).

[WashingtonCoug]

This doesn't even make sense. You're treating it as though BYU signing more players is not good for BYU. Bottom line is that BYU got 14 of those players which is more than any other in the conference.

Using your logic, it's better for a team to have just two players sign on LOI day as long as they have BCS offers (100%!) than it is to have 15 sign with only 12 having BCS offers (only 80%).

[SeattleUte]

I will break down TCU, Utah and BYU. Also I will use Rivals since that is what SU loves.

BYU:
Afo: BYU, Utah State
Apo: BYU, Cal, Kansas State, Minnesota, Missourri, Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma State, Tulsa
Black: BYU
Brown: BYU
Fabuluje: BYU, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, North Texas, Purdue, TCU, Utah, San Diego State
Fua: BYU, Arizona, Arizona State, Hawaii, Oregon State, Ohio State, UCLA, Washington
Gaines: BYU
Hanneman: BYU
Heaps: To many to list. Over 40 offers.
Ho Ching: BYU, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Utah State
Johnson: BYU, UCONN
Kanuch: BYU, Utah
Kaufusi: BYU, Stanford (committed as a sophomore could have gone anywhere he wanted)
Kautai: BYU
Keoshian: BYU
Moore: BYU, Fresno State, Boise State
Mulitalo: BYU, Navy, Washington, Washington State.
Owens: BYU
Phillips: BYU, SMU, Cincinatti, Central Michigan, Wyoming
Quezada: BYU, Utah, Colorado State, Fresno State, hawaii, San Diego State, Stanford, Washington, UCLA
Rowley: BYU, Stanford, Colorado, Hawaii, SMU, Washington, UCLA
Sampson: BYU, Idaho State, Utah State
Stout: BYU, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado State, Nebraska, Colorado, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Tautu: BYU
Tuiloma: BYU, Kansas
Tushaus: BYU, Air Force, Arizona, Arizona State, San Diego State, New Mexico State, UNLV

TCU:
J. Anderson: TCU, Kansas, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Utah, UNLV, Vanderbilit
M. Anderson: TCU, Utah, SMU
Battle-Smith: TCU, Texas A&M, Baylor
Brown: TCU, Arizona, East Carolina, Iowa State, Kansas State, Nebraska, Rice
Bryant: TCU, North Texas, Iowa State, Tulsa
Carter: TCU, Alabama, Louisana tech, Missourri, Nebraska, Mississippi State, Tulsa
Sam Carter: TCU, Miami, Baylor, Houston, Louisville, Oklahoma State, SMU
Grant: TCU, Wisconsin, Oregon, Minnesota
Graves, TCU, Louisiana Tech
Hawkins: TCU, AZ, ASU, Arkansas, Cal, Colorado, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Kentucky, Minny, Nebraska, Tulsa, Utah
Johnson: TCU, Rice, Stanford, Texas Tech, UTEP, UCLA,
Mallett: TCU, Arkansas, Baylor, Colorado, Houston, Oklahoma State, Wisconsin
Murphy: TCU, SMU, New Mexico State, Houston
Olabode: TCU, Arizona, Baylor, Illinois, Iowa State, Kansas, La tech, Minny, Missourri, Nebraska, Kansas, SMU, Tulsa, Wisconsin
Roberts: TCU, Kansas, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Purdue, SMU, Texas Tech
Thompson: TCU
Wellington: TCU, New Mexico, Colorado, Houston, UTEP, Utah
White: TCU, Airforce, Rice, Utah, Utep, Wyoming

Utah:
D. Anderson: Utah, Nevada, UNLV, UTEP
Blechen: Utah
Bolton: Utah, Arizona, Baylor, Houston, Nebraska, Illinois, Iowa State, New Mexico State, North Texas, Rice, SMU, Wake Forest
Collins: Utah, Missourri, UTEP
Fehoko: Utah, Baylor, Cal, Colorado, Hawaii, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas Tech, UNLV, Utah State, Washington, West Virginia
Freeman: Utah, UTEP
Hale: Utah, Houston, SMU, Tulsa
Kruger: Utah, Arizona, ASU, BYU, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington, Washington State
Latu: Utah
Lotulelei: Utah, Oregon State, Utah State
Payne: Utah, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Houston, Illinois, Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Oklahoma, Stanford, Northwestern, TCU, Vandy, Wake
Reese: Utah, ASU, Baylor, Colorado, Colorado State, Memphis, Missourri, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M
Scott: Utah, Colorado, Colorado State, Fresno State, Idaho, Michigan State, San Diego State, UTEP
Shreve: Utah, Colorado State
SMith: Utah, Iowa State, Fresno State, Wyoming
Tanoa'i: Utah, Utah State
Tupuoata: Utah, Washington, Oregon State
Walker: Utah, La tech, Colorado State, Louisiana Monroe, UTEP
Cullen: Utah, Arizona State, Arizona, Colorado, Florida State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, South Florida, Tennessee, USC.

Looking the classes, the best offers top to bottom is TCU, almost every kid in their class has solid BCS offers. The best top of the class is BYU in regards to offers but the bottom of BYUs class is pretty weak (early commits really hurt in this category. Utah has a few guys (Payne, Cullen, Fehoko) with really solid offers but the majority of the teams the were competing with were mediocre mid-majors.

Utah and TCU went head to head way more than Utah and BYU. TCU actually dominated that matchup. However Utah and UTEP went head to head on almost every recruit and Utah killed UTEP. UTEP might have offered every kid in the state of Texas.

Based on offers it has to go:

1. TCU
2. BYU
3. Utah

Nice work. YOu have just totally annihilated Scout's credibility. How can anyone trust Scout now? (Scout has TCU at no. 65 lol.) Scout is a joke. A byu front.

[cougjunkie]

As Corso would say, "Not so fast my friend!"

Taking your own list, let's break it down a bit further. You can't look at overall numbers since BYU signed so many more players than Utah and TCU did.

If a school only had 10 scholarships to offer, and they cleaned up at the top 10 players in the country, by your accounting, that would be a subpar class.

Instead, let's look at the percentage of players that had offers from other BCS schools. That gives you an idea of the quality of players that you are recruiting.

TCU signed 18 guys, of which 12 had offers from other BCS schools (66%)

• J. Anderson: TCU, Kansas, New Mexico, Rice, SMU, Southern Miss, Utah, UNLV, Vanderbilit
• Battle-Smith: TCU, Texas A&M, Baylor
• Brown: TCU, Arizona, East Carolina, Iowa State, Kansas State, Nebraska, Rice
• Bryant: TCU, North Texas, Iowa State, Tulsa
• Carter: TCU, Alabama, Louisana tech, Missourri, Nebraska, Mississippi State, Tulsa
• Sam Carter: TCU, Miami, Baylor, Houston, Louisville, Oklahoma State, SMU
• Grant: TCU, Wisconsin, Oregon, Minnesota
• Hawkins: TCU, AZ, ASU, Arkansas, Cal, Colorado, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Kentucky, Minny, Nebraska, Tulsa, Utah
• Johnson: TCU, Rice, Stanford, Texas Tech, UTEP, UCLA,
• Mallett: TCU, Arkansas, Baylor, Colorado, Houston, Oklahoma State, Wisconsin
• Olabode: TCU, Arizona, Baylor, Illinois, Iowa State, Kansas, La tech, Minny, Missourri, Nebraska, Kansas, SMU, Tulsa, Wisconsin
• Roberts: TCU, Kansas, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Purdue, SMU, Texas Tech

Utah signed 19 guys, of which 11 had offers from other BCS schools (57%)

• Bolton: Utah, Arizona, Baylor, Houston, Nebraska, Illinois, Iowa State, New Mexico State, North Texas, Rice, SMU, Wake Forest
• Collins: Utah, Missourri, UTEP
• Fehoko: Utah, Baylor, Cal, Colorado, Hawaii, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas Tech, UNLV, Utah State, Washington, West Virginia
• Kruger: Utah, Arizona, ASU, BYU, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington, Washington State
• Lotulelei: Utah, Oregon State, Utah State
• Payne: Utah, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Houston, Illinois, Iowa State, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern, Oklahoma, Stanford, Northwestern, TCU, Vandy, Wake
• Reese: Utah, ASU, Baylor, Colorado, Colorado State, Memphis, Missourri, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M
• Scott: Utah, Colorado, Colorado State, Fresno State, Idaho, Michigan State, San Diego State, UTEP
• SMith: Utah, Iowa State, Fresno State, Wyoming
• Tupuoata: Utah, Washington, Oregon State
• Cullen: Utah, Arizona State, Arizona, Colorado, Florida State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, South Florida, Tennessee, USC.

BYU signed 26 guys, of which 14 had offers from other BCS schools (53%)

• Apo: BYU, Cal, Kansas State, Minnesota, Missourri, Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma State, Tulsa
• Fabuluje: BYU, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, North Texas, Purdue, TCU, Utah, San Diego State
• Fua: BYU, Arizona, Arizona State, Hawaii, Oregon State, Ohio State, UCLA, Washington
• Heaps: To many to list. Over 40 offers.
• Ho Ching: BYU, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Utah State
• Johnson: BYU, UCONN
• Kaufusi: BYU, Stanford (committed as a sophomore could have gone anywhere he wanted)
• Mulitalo: BYU, Navy, Washington, Washington State.
• Quezada: BYU, Utah, Colorado State, Fresno State, hawaii, San Diego State, Stanford, Washington, UCLA
• Phillips: BYU, SMU, Cincinatti, Central Michigan, Wyoming
• Rowley: BYU, Stanford, Colorado, Hawaii, SMU, Washington, UCLA
• Stout: BYU, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado State, Nebraska, Colorado, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
• Tuiloma: BYU, Kansas
• Tushaus: BYU, Air Force, Arizona, Arizona State, San Diego State, New Mexico State, UNLV

And, quite frankly, I feel a bit icky including guys whose only offers from BCS schools come from Big East schools, but, I left them in there.

U-Ute

That makes sense, lets penalize BYU because Utah could not find enough players that want to go there to fill their allotted 25 scholarships.