Lets break it down by offers.........

[UtahDan]

Just bolded them in the original post. The only one I am not sure about is Tupuota for Utah.

Thanks. So basically BYU landed four non-LDS three stars and no four stars. Utah landed one four star LDS player and three three stars.

This sort of confirms my big picture view of things. BYU is the odds on favorite every year to get the LDS kids and does get most of them. A few get poached by other programs and most the excitement surrounds whether a top recruit who is LDS will go to BYU or elsewhere. BYU does get some non-LDS kids but doesn't rely on very many of them and this really only seems to hurt defensive speed but not much else (going on rivals and sorting by 40 speed is an interesting thing to do). The game for BYU is not to screw up landing the good LDS players, basically.

Utah is more your typical school. It competes with for a broad range of kids in a lot of places. It competes with BYU in the sense that it tries to poach some good LDS players here and there.

One thing I thought was interesting was that none of the non-LDS BYU recruits are from Utah. Is that typical? If so, it really underscores that BYU basically competes every year for mostly LDS kids. That has to be unique among the top 50 programs. Just interesting.

[LA Ute]

Thanks. So basically BYU landed four non-LDS three stars and no four stars. Utah landed one four star LDS player and three three stars.

This sort of confirms my big picture view of things. BYU is the odds on favorite every year to get the LDS kids and does get most of them. A few get poached by other programs and most the excitement surrounds whether a top recruit who is LDS will go to BYU or elsewhere. BYU does get some non-LDS kids but doesn't rely on very many of them and this really only seems to hurt defensive speed but not much else (going on rivals and sorting by 40 speed is an interesting thing to do). The game for BYU is not to screw up landing the good LDS players, basically.

Utah is more your typical school. It competes with for a broad range of kids in a lot of places. It competes with BYU in the sense that it tries to poach some good LDS players here and there.

One thing I thought was interesting was that none of the non-LDS BYU recruits are from Utah. Is that typical? If so, it really underscores that BYU basically competes every year for mostly LDS kids. That has to be unique among the top 50 programs. Just interesting.

BYU athletics teams are basically LDS all-star teams. Before anyone gets upset about that, I don't mean it as a put-down. My theory is that as the LDS Church gets larger and more diverse BYU will have better and better athletes, including more speed. (They just won't all have Scandinavian surnames.)

[Flystripper]

the accuracy should be close. The main writers for a specific site/school are the ones that typically keep the offer list for that up to date. Now maintainence is as issue. If a offer is rescinded, then it rarely is removed from the offer list for that school.

an offer is an offer. whether it is later rescinded is meaningless imho.

[Jarid in Cedar]

an offer is an offer. whether it is later rescinded is meaningless imho.

To which I agree, but to the player if they have an offer to say Cal that is recinded a month before the singing date, that is one less option the player has at that time.

[cougjunkie]

Thanks. So basically BYU landed four non-LDS three stars and no four stars. Utah landed one four star LDS player and three three stars.

This sort of confirms my big picture view of things. BYU is the odds on favorite every year to get the LDS kids and does get most of them. A few get poached by other programs and most the excitement surrounds whether a top recruit who is LDS will go to BYU or elsewhere. BYU does get some non-LDS kids but doesn't rely on very many of them and this really only seems to hurt defensive speed but not much else (going on rivals and sorting by 40 speed is an interesting thing to do). The game for BYU is not to screw up landing the good LDS players, basically.

Utah is more your typical school. It competes with for a broad range of kids in a lot of places. It competes with BYU in the sense that it tries to poach some good LDS players here and there.

One thing I thought was interesting was that none of the non-LDS BYU recruits are from Utah. Is that typical? If so, it really underscores that BYU basically competes every year for mostly LDS kids. That has to be unique among the top 50 programs. Just interesting.

There are not many non-lds kids from Utah that are big time prospects. The last two that I remember were Sausan Shakerin and Marquis Wilson.

But both of them did go to Utah. BYU did land Garrett Nicholson who is not-lds, AA, and ended up at BYU 2 years ago. However he has struggled academically and has yet to play any significant time and is no longer with the team (unless he can get his grades up then he will be welcomed back).

[UtahDan]

There are not many non-lds kids from Utah that are big time prospects. The last two that I remember were Sausan Shakerin and Marquis Wilson.

But both of them did go to Utah. BYU did land Garrett Nicholson who is not-lds, AA, and ended up at BYU 2 years ago. However he has struggled academically and has yet to play any significant time and is no longer with the team (unless he can get his grades up then he will be welcomed back).

I'm glad you said that because it was my next question. That certainly makes sense.

[UtahDan]

But both of them did go to Utah. BYU did land Garrett Nicholson who is not-lds, AA, and ended up at BYU 2 years ago. However he has struggled academically and has yet to play any significant time and is no longer with the team (unless he can get his grades up then he will be welcomed back).

Here is another question that I am ignorant on. It seems like more kids wash out of BYU academically than Utah notwithstanding that we seem to take a lot more kids who are truly marginal academically. Is that perception correct? IOW, it seems like we do a better job getting these guys to stick. Having attended both places undergrad, I have a hard time accepting that BYU is just so much more difficult. I think with some help and support most of these guys can get C's either place. Is Utah just more geared toward this? Or maybe I am wrong about how many wash out.

[cougjunkie]

Since 2002 (which is as far back as the recruiting websites go) non-lds kids from the state of Utah (excluding JC kids as most of them are transplants from other states):

Committed to BYU:
Daniel Coats, Tico Pringle, Scotty Ebert, Garrett Nicholson

(Ebert never got in to school went to Snow, Pringle left school went to SUU, Nicholson is no longer in school. Coats big time success story currently in the NFL)

Committed to Utah:
Kyle Brady, Marquis Wilson, Zane Beadles, Zane Taylor, Sausan Shakerin, Kendrick Moeai, Vyncent Jones (?), Mookie Murphy

Non-lds kids that left the state:
Alex Cate-Oklahoma State
Lynn Katoa- Colorado (now not playing football kicked out)
John Martinez- USC

Utah has had much more success with non-lds Utah kids than BYU.

[cougjunkie]

Here is another question that I am ignorant on. It seems like more kids wash out of BYU academically than Utah notwithstanding that we seem to take a lot more kids who are truly marginal academically. Is that perception correct? IOW, it seems like we do a better job getting these guys to stick. Having attended both places undergrad, I have a hard time accepting that BYU is just so much more difficult. I think with some help and support most of these guys can get C's either place. Is Utah just more geared toward this? Or maybe I am wrong about how many wash out.

You are correct, however I do not know what the guideline is at Utah but BYU requires all of their football players to maintain a GPA much higher than the NCAA minimums. In fact I think they have to maintain a 3.0 and the NCAA minimum says you only have to take 12 credits and pass 6.0 of those. Their minimum GPA is also only a 2.0.

Garrett Nicholson, Anthony Heimuli, and a few others all missed time this year due to academics, but they were still on the team but did not meet the higher standard set by Bronco and BYU.

[UtahDan]

You are correct, however I do not know what the guideline is at Utah but BYU requires all of their football players to maintain a GPA much higher than the NCAA minimums. In fact I think they have to maintain a 3.0 and the NCAA minimum says you only have to take 12 credits and pass 6.0 of those. Their minimum GPA is also only a 2.0.

Garrett Nicholson, Anthony Heimuli, and a few others all missed time this year due to academics, but they were still on the team but did not meet the higher standard set by Bronco and BYU.

Interesting, has it always been that way or is in new with Bronco? Also, do you support that? I know I have heard at least some talk that this is what is killing ND.

[cougjunkie]

Interesting, has it always been that way or is in new with Bronco? Also, do you support that? I know I have heard at least some talk that this is what is killing ND.

Its new with Bronco, and honestly all I care about is winning football games. This probably hinders that as opposed to helping it. Look at a guy like Sefa Tanoa'i I think the kid is going to be a great talent he meets the minimum NCAA requirements and should enroll at Utah. However he wanted badly to come to BYU and had said so publicly several times but BYU did not offer a schollie because of his sub-par (in their eyes) grades.

[Hallelujah]

an offer is an offer. whether it is later rescinded is meaningless imho.

Verbal or written. I much prefer written offers.

[UtahDan]

I don't want to spoil anything, but I do want my fellow Utes to take note that I am putting on a clinic on how to interact with CJ. It can be done.

[cougjunkie]

I don't want to spoil anything, but I do want my fellow Utes to take note that I am putting on a clinic on how to interact with CJ. It can be done.

LOL, I am doing it out of the respect I have for your brother.

[UtahDan]

LOL, I am doing it out of the respect I have for your brother.

Hmm, well, that may not be easy for others to replicate then.