"You Gotta Love It Baby" Official Jazz thread

[VirginiaCougar]

We've got to move on from the Jerry Sloan era of coaching, and that means not hiring him back and that means not keeping anyone here who worked closely under him, like Corbin.

We need someone who has never worked for the Jazz here.

Why? Do you have a problem with someone who brought consistent success to a small-market team?

I suspect that without Sloan's coaching, the Jazz would have long ago left Salt Lake. I am grateful they are still there.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

http://journaltimes.com/sports/baske...a4bcf887a.html

Seems like an odd decision to only work out for 4 teams picking right in a row in the middle of the first round. But I guess the teams right above them have Brandon Knight, Damian Lillard, Ricky Rubio, Jrue Holiday at PG, so maybe it wouldn't make sense to work out for those teams.

[Blueintheface]

Why? Do you have a problem with someone who brought consistent success to a small-market team?

I suspect that without Sloan's coaching, the Jazz would have long ago left Salt Lake. I am grateful they are still there.

I get all nostalgic for Sloanhater when I read posts like these.

[The_Douger]

Why? Do you have a problem with someone who brought consistent success to a small-market team?

I suspect that without Sloan's coaching, the Jazz would have long ago left Salt Lake. I am grateful they are still there.

Jerry's system is only effective with certain types of players, and these types of players are the ones the NBA has largely moved away from.

His refusal to integrate the three point shot in to the offense and his insistence on playing a certain way without guys that can create their own shot make the Jazz predictable and easy to defend in the playoffs in the absence of the most elite players (guys like Malone and Stockton).

I'd like to see us move towards an offense more based on wing players and shooters instead of plodding big men and a distributing point guard. Without purging the whole coaching staff and moving away from Jerry's ideas, this isn't going to be possible.

[mtnbiker]

I'd like to see us move towards an offense more based on wing players and shooters instead of plodding big men and a distributing point guard. Without purging the whole coaching staff and moving away from Jerry's ideas, this isn't going to be possible.

Problem is, nobody on the Jazz can shoot worth beans.

[MarkGrace]

Jerry's system is only effective with certain types of players, and these types of players are the ones the NBA has largely moved away from.

Huh? The Spurs are in the Finals on the strength of a PF and PG.

His refusal to integrate the three point shot in to the offense and his insistence on playing a certain way without guys that can create their own shot make the Jazz predictable and easy to defend in the playoffs in the absence of the most elite players (guys like Malone and Stockton).

I would have liked to see more emphasis on the 3pt shot, but his offenses were always among the most efficient in the league so it's not much of a complaint. He was also more than willing to let guys who were effective at creating their own shots do so (like Deron), he was just always short on those types of player. Also, the last point is a silly one, as no team really gets anywhere in the playoffs without elite talent on offense.

Jerry's main problems weren't offensive, they were defensive. I'd take Sloan's offense back over what we've got out of Ty yesterday.

[BGRTHNUMEGO]

@BeckleyMason
Can't believe this Dennis Schroeder kid is just 19. VERY canny in the PnR for a player so young

I don't know how Schroeder has done shooting in games, but some of the shooting drills available on video of him look really good too. I've only seen highlights of the game he played here in the US. For anyone that saw more of the game, how did he look athletically?

[MarkGrace]

I don't know how Schroeder has done shooting in games, but some of the shooting drills available on video of him look really good too. I've only seen highlights of the game he played here in the US. For anyone that saw more of the game, how did he look athletically?

It depends on how you measure that. He didn't look like the type of player that would blow away a combine (and he didn't) because he doesn't seem to have hops or real strength. But he was fast as hell and his lateral footspeed was terrific. So as an athlete probably more like a Tony Parker/Rajon Rondo type were they can blow by any number of perimeter defenders but aren't exactly going to get up and dunk on anybody.

[smokymountainrain]

It depends on how you measure that. He didn't look like the type of player that would blow away a combine (and he didn't) because he doesn't seem to have hops or real strength. But he was fast as hell and his lateral footspeed was very terrific. So as an athlete probably more like a Tony Parker/Rajon Rondo type were they can blow by any number of perimeter defenders but aren't exactly going to get up and dunk on anybody.

Agreed. Seems to have great quickness and I was impressed with what I saw in the Hoop Summit, but I haven't seem him dunk in any of the highlight videos I've watched.

[SandYFan]

Why? Do you have a problem with someone who brought consistent success to a small-market team?

I suspect that without Sloan's coaching, the Jazz would have long ago left Salt Lake. I am grateful they are still there.

What is this trend of bringing back coaches who were good, but not good enough?

Anae was good, not great. BYU asks him back after the debacle that was Doman.

Sloan was good, not great. The Jazz ask him back after the debacle that is Corbin?

Ugh.

[MarkGrace]

What is this trend of bringing back coaches who were good, but not good enough?

Anae was good, not great. BYU asks him back after the debacle that was Doman.

Sloan was good, not great. The Jazz ask him back after the debacle that is Corbin?

Ugh.

Because you realize the limitations of your product and decide the grass isn't always greener.

[Jacob]

Why? Do you have a problem with someone who brought consistent success to a small-market team?

I suspect that without Sloan's coaching, the Jazz would have long ago left Salt Lake. I am grateful they are still there.

That's just silly. Sloan was a good coach who had 2 all time greats together for almost 20 years. He's hardly the reason they are in SLC.

As for whether bringing him back is a good idea. It probably depends on how he is used. It likely is a strong signal that they didn't do a good job replacing him with Corbin and tends to undermine Corbin. So It is a bad move if they keep Corbin (which they are) and maybe not so bad if htye dump Corbin.

[MarkGrace]

That's just silly. Sloan was a good coach who had 2 all time greats together for almost 20 years. He's hardly the reason they are in SLC.

As for whether bringing him back is a good idea. It probably depends on how he is used. It likely is a strong signal that they didn't do a good job replacing him with Corbin and tends to undermine Corbin. So It is a bad move if they keep Corbin (which they are) and maybe not so bad if htye dump Corbin.

I think I'd be surprised if it was a full coaching gig. My guess is if anything happens, it's likely some type of consultant deal.

[Blueintheface]

It depends on how you measure that. He didn't look like the type of player that would blow away a combine (and he didn't) because he doesn't seem to have hops or real strength. But he was fast as hell and his lateral footspeed was terrific. So as an athlete probably more like a Tony Parker/Rajon Rondo type were they can blow by any number of perimeter defenders but aren't exactly going to get up and dunk on anybody.

He's measured out similar to Rondo so I hope that means he can get his hands in the passing lanes too. It would be like Christmas in June to have a PG that could play defense.

[The_Douger]

Huh? The Spurs are in the Finals on the strength of a PF and PG.



I would have liked to see more emphasis on the 3pt shot, but his offenses were always among the most efficient in the league so it's not much of a complaint. He was also more than willing to let guys who were effective at creating their own shots do so (like Deron), he was just always short on those types of player. Also, the last point is a silly one, as no team really gets anywhere in the playoffs without elite talent on offense.

Jerry's main problems weren't offensive, they were defensive. I'd take Sloan's offense back over what we've got out of Ty yesterday.

I've always thought of Parker as a scorer more than an assist guy. I realize he's been in the top ten in assists the last few years, but that hasn't always been the case during his career. Duncan anchors the defense and isn't anywhere near the type of offensive player he used to be. They get contribution from wing guys like Ginobili, Green, and Leonard. Everyone is more involved on that team. Maybe last year was an aberration because we had so many guys on one year deals. I hated how we played last year. We're going to have to build our team through defense (Kanter, Favors) and the wings that we have (Burks, Hayward), and I don't feel like this offense that Corbin/Sloan will bring will play to those guy's strengths.

Agreed regarding Jerry's defense. His refusal to double team and rotate has always irritated me and he essentially ignores the 3 point line on both sides of the court.

A big reason he was short on the types of players that could create their own shot is that he seems to hate the freelancing in the offense that comes from that. Guys that could play like that (Chris Morris, DeShawn Stevenson) generally were in Jerry's doghouse. I'm not saying those two were elite players or anything like that, but he doesn't appreciate that skill as much as other coaches do, and sometimes in the playoffs when you run the pick and roll for the 50th time in the game and they show hard on the screen and make the appropriate adjustment, you need someone that can make something happen outside of that offensive philosophy.

I just like watching how teams like Golden State play, despite their flaws. I feel like a different coaching style could help develop these guys better and better realize their potential. I'm just done with Jerry Sloan's influence in the franchise and would like to see someone else try to put their mark on it. It was a real disservice to the Jazz how he left without finishing the year, and led us to the coaching disaster we have now.

I just want a new direction instead of the same rehashed ideas we've seen here for the past 25 years.