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  • Sizzle
    #ThisIsY
    • Nov 2008
    • 9004

    #17971
    The offseason for the Jazz is really interesting in how they view the construct of the team currently. Needs aren't necessarily a positional hole and more of a skill that needs to be fixed, with that skill being outside shooting. I think Gordon is a good enough facilitator from the wing that he can look to initiate the offense in most instances. I also think that Alec back brings another player who can help handle and facilitate. Obviously Exum has those skills as well as a PG, though a larger PG. The length that Gordon and Exum have also make it possible to switch some on defense, with Exum being able to handle most players in the NBA at either the 1 or 2 because of his length. It gives us some interesting positional flexibility there.

    I guess to me, I look at it almost as if there are 144 minutes to be split among the 1/2/3 positions, and I'd guess you can earmark somewhere near the following (at least for now):
    Exum (28)
    Hayward (32)
    Hood (24)
    Burks (30)
    Trey/other PG (20)
    Wing (10)

    That doesn't include Joe Ingles, who probably should have minutes, or Elijah Millsap, who also probably deserves some minutes as well making the team.

    I think the biggest problem with the way the Jazz are currently constructed is that they have a lot of really nice pieces. Click through the roster and it's tough to find a guy that doesn't have a skill or value that contributes. Everybody is really likable and a nice player. But that's the problem. Everyone is "nice" not outstanding. At every single position the Jazz have players, but at every single position the Jazz could afford to get better. I also really think that the last half of the season the Jazz very much were a whole lot better than the sum of all their parts. In a lot of ways, they remind me of a better version of the Rockets team before they added Harden or Howard. Maybe Gobert is a poor man's Howard and Hayward is a really poor man's Harden, but that's probably a stretch.

    The two tricky parts are, one, I don't see a team dealing a star like the Thunder did with Harden, especially given the way the cap is projecting to increase. And two, how do you add to the team without upsetting the chemistry that has made this team fun to watch and play better than the sum of its parts.

    The Jazz are in a tough spot for sure this off-season, but a tough spot with good assets. Just likely not going to be good enough to get over the hump should they keep everything together, and not good enough to move to get the impact piece they probably truly need. Do they find something that can help the team at 12? Are they better to package assets and move up/trade for an established player (like a Jrue Holiday)? Probably, but it's a tough call with what is on the market.

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    • Donuthole
      Official Outgayer
      • Nov 2008
      • 25265

      #17972
      Gotta find a way to move up and get Justise Winslow. He's the two way presence we need from someone at the wing. In my dreams, some combination of Burke, Burks, No. 12, future pick(s) and taking back bad salary is enough to get it done, but i have a feeling that won't cut it.
      Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

      There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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      • smokymountainrain
        Impressive Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 22593

        #17973
        Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
        Gotta find a way to move up and get Justise Winslow. He's the two way presence we need from someone at the wing. In my dreams, some combination of Burke, Burks, No. 12, future pick(s) and taking back bad salary is enough to get it done, but i have a feeling that won't cut it.
        I love Winslow too, but...
        I'm like LeBron James.
        -mpfunk

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        • Donuthole
          Official Outgayer
          • Nov 2008
          • 25265

          #17974
          A nice piece on AK, in light of his retirement:

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ode-to-the-underrated-andrei-kirilenko-edition/

          When Rosenbaum initially released his APM ratings 11 years ago, he regressed them against basic per-minute box score statistics in an attempt to figure out which types of players tend to help their teams the most while on the floor. Rosenbaum found that some of the most productive traits a player could possess were high rates of steals (no surprise to us here at FiveThirtyEight), blocks, assists, offensive rebounds and scoring efficiency, plus a hefty dose of all-around versatility.6 Not coincidentally, Kirilenko ranked in the 65th percentile or better in each of those categories for his career, including the 96th percentile in blocks, 90th percentile in steals and 88th percentile in true shooting percentage.


          In other words, unlike Shane Battier, Michael Lewis’s famous “No-Stats All-Star,” Kirilenko was an Every-Stat All-Star. Stuffing the box score in many important categories, Kirilenko (along with fellow long, rangy small forward/power forward hybrids such as Shawn Marion and Gerald Wallace) helped usher in a new era of multidimensional forwards who could do everything — and, increasingly, had to, as new rules shifted the game to make teams more reliant on smaller, quicker players.


          He will always be one of my favorite Jazz players, and the 2003-2004 season--Utah's first season post-John and Karl--was an amazingly fun ride, in large part thanks to AK. Injuries and technology prevented him from realizing his potential, but few things were as exciting as watching AK stalk a breakaway to size up a forthcoming shot, before swooping in at the last second and swatting it away. Oh, and he sports one of the best sports nicknames of all time.
          Last edited by Donuthole; 10-23-2015, 12:13 PM.
          Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

          There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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          • HuskyFreeNorthwest
            Time to camp
            • Nov 2008
            • 26082

            #17975
            The pre-Xmas road trip is dead.
            Get confident, stupid
            -landpoke

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            • Blueintheface
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 15382

              #17976
              Alec Burks

              I would have just put "bump" but SMR might be the only Jazz fan left on the board who cares about the race for the 8th seed as much as I do
              "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

              "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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              • Commando
                Explosivo
                • Feb 2009
                • 20748

                #17977
                Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                Alec Burks

                I would have just put "bump" but SMR might be the only Jazz fan left on the board who cares about the race for the 8th seed as much as I do
                I literally have $1,000.00 riding on it.
                "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                • Blueintheface
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 15382

                  #17978
                  Originally posted by Commando View Post
                  I literally have $1,000.00 riding on it.
                  Damn. That's probably the amount I'll put on the Jazz this year but in smaller increments. I'm not a big sports gambler.
                  "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                  "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                  • old_gregg
                    scaly man fish
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 16915

                    #17979
                    don't bet on your own team dummies
                    Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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                    • smokymountainrain
                      Impressive Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 22593

                      #17980
                      Yes, BiTF, I am very excited for this season.
                      I'm like LeBron James.
                      -mpfunk

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                      • Blueintheface
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 15382

                        #17981
                        Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                        Yes, BiTF, I am very excited for this season.
                        Don't be embarrassed. A sick daughter was the only thing preventing me from attending an open practice last week. I'm a glutton for punishment too!
                        "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                        "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                        • Blueintheface
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 15382

                          #17982
                          Originally posted by old_gregg View Post
                          don't bet on your own team dummies
                          Are you saying that because it's impossible to be objective or because Karma might come into play? I've heard this mantra a lot and I'm always curious why it's such a no-no. Notice I didn't say that I bet on them to win.
                          "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                          "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                          • HuskyFreeNorthwest
                            Time to camp
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 26082

                            #17983
                            Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                            Yes, BiTF, I am very excited for this season.
                            This mean we have reached the point where the Jazz fans in the board won't be shamed for cheering for wins by the smart fans?
                            Get confident, stupid
                            -landpoke

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                            • smokymountainrain
                              Impressive Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 22593

                              #17984
                              Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                              This mean we have reached the point where the Jazz fans in the board won't be shamed for cheering for wins by the smart fans?
                              Not sure. The smart one hasn't posted on the board since last year.
                              I'm like LeBron James.
                              -mpfunk

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                              • Maximus
                                Senior Member
                                • Sep 2009
                                • 6016

                                #17985
                                Vivint SmartHome Center.

                                Why couldnt is just be Vivint Center?

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