BYU Basketball 2016-2017

[imanihonjin]

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I might applaud that if Nick did more than run his mouth that night. He shouldn't talk shit and then go 0-7.

[Topper]

I might applaud that if Nick did more than run his mouth that night. He shouldn't talk shit and then go 0-7.

agreed. Nick has more attitude than talent.

[smokymountainrain]

I might applaud that if Nick did more than run his mouth that night. He shouldn't talk shit and then go 0-7.

wasn't he something like 2-13 FGs the night he punched Brandon Taylor?

[Commando]

I might applaud that if Nick did more than run his mouth that night. He shouldn't talk shit and then go 0-7.

I love it either way. I'm not into that gentle giant shit even though it worked for Jimmer. Now if Jimmer ran his mouth like Max Hall, I would have his picture framed on my dashboard.

[Eddie]

I heard someone say the problem is Rose can't take players out for screwing up and taking ill advised shots, turnovers or poor defense. He has no bench.

Is that as reasonable take?

I heard this on some radio show Tuesday morning too. Some caller was saying that Rose should sit the talented kids to get their attention, even if it means playing lesser talented players.

Made me laugh.

I'm guessing the same fans who used to get on Bronco for playing the "assignment sound" players he "trusts" over the more talented players on the sideline are the same guys who want Rose to sit the more talented players who are out of control in favor of the less talented players who know their role and play within it.

Honestly - I'm not sure what the correct answer is. But I'll let Rose figure it out - because out of control talent and in control no-talent both seem like they'll get you the same results.

I'll admit to being one of the people who had high hopes for this team. But I didn't necessarily have high hopes for them this year. Two of the Lone Peak guys were on missions last year and the 3rd is only one year removed from his mission? A mission that he came home early from due to some medical issues?

I still expect them to be ultimately be good. I just expect some growth to be required. I never expected them to come right in and dominate from the start. They're freshmen and sophomores! We aren't talking Fab Five here, we're talking pretty good players with talent. Definite D1 starters, which is crazy that they were all on the same team in high school, but that's it.

When is the last time BYU had a team that did anything in which the primary contributors were freshmen and sophomores?

[cougjunkie]

I heard this on some radio show Tuesday morning too. Some caller was saying that Rose should sit the talented kids to get their attention, even if it means playing lesser talented players.

Made me laugh.

I'm guessing the same fans who used to get on Bronco for playing the "assignment sound" players he "trusts" over the more talented players on the sideline are the same guys who want Rose to sit the more talented players who are out of control in favor of the less talented players who know their role and play within it.

Honestly - I'm not sure what the correct answer is. But I'll let Rose figure it out - because out of control talent and in control no-talent both seem like they'll get you the same results.

I'll admit to being one of the people who had high hopes for this team. But I didn't necessarily have high hopes for them this year. Two of the Lone Peak guys were on missions last year and the 3rd is only one year removed from his mission? A mission that he came home early from due to some medical issues?

I still expect them to be ultimately be good. I just expect some growth to be required. I never expected them to come right in and dominate from the start. They're freshmen and sophomores! We aren't talking Fab Five here, we're talking pretty good players with talent. Definite D1 starters, which is crazy that they were all on the same team in high school, but that's it.

When is the last time BYU had a team that did anything in which the primary contributors were freshmen and sophomores?

The question is, who does Rose sit these kids for? He let the little bit of talent he had behind them walk. He gave the LP3 the keys to the bus, now he has to ride or die with them. I am ok with that, but you aren't teaching anyone a lesson by sitting them on the bench. You can't afford to do it with how the team is currently constructed. Nobody is pushing these kids in practice, no position battles or threat to lose their starting spot. So you better find another way to motivate.

[BigPiney]

I expect them to make the tournament and show well but lose first round next year. That doesn't mean they are sub-par D-1 talent. That's top 20% in college hoop. It's the equivalent of a top a top 25 finish in football. Adjust to reasonable expectations and you will feel better.

Losing in the first round does not seem to me to be equivalent to a top 25 finish in football. I can see the argument that there are 351 schools in D1, and only 68 make the tournament and only usually those in the top 50 make it as an at large. I think winning in the first round is a better equivalency. But maybe my expectations are too high.

[Topper]

Losing in the first round does not seem to me to be equivalent to a top 25 finish in football. I can see the argument that there are 351 schools in D1, and only 68 make the tournament and only usually those in the top 50 make it as an at large. I think winning in the first round is a better equivalency. But maybe my expectations are too high.

According to KD, my expectations are definitely too high. I would like a Sweet Sixteen but in reality we are likely looking at a first round exit, if the lads get to the Tourney. Right now, I'm not sure as CJ points out, we don't have any way to discipline the LP3 who don't appear motivated to do it Rose's way.

[Goatnapper'96]

This team is not going to improve until roles have been defined.

Nick Emerys FGA to start the year: 14,8,12,9,16,28,15,17,9,15,15,7,12. Then Dave Rose got after him and told him he needed to be a better defender and be the defensive stopper this team needs. He went ape shit against Santa Clara only took 7 shots, but he held Brownridge to 2-8 shooting and 8 points, next game he scores 20 against Loyola going 5-11 from deep and holds Brown to 8 points on 2-8. You start thinking he has found his role on this team, a spot up shooter and lock down defender. Similar to his bro. This was great when we won those first two games in his new role, then the first beat down from St. Marys happens. He struggled with Rahon and Naar, he only took 8 shots and we lose big. He hung on to his new role for the next two games, Has decent outings with 12 and 20 points. But still a 3rd/4th option with Bryant getting healthy. And then you see his body language change, he starts passing up open looks just to be a dick, goes several possessions without a touch he forces up a bad shot, he stops playing defense. And Rose essentially benches him for long stretches (gets Tooblue wet). His FGA over this stretch 7,7,7,6,8,6,6. 3 of those games he was 1-6 shooting, had 3 of them where he went 3-7 and a 3-8. Not a good showing at all. After the pepperdine loss he decided he didn't give a shit, shooters gonna shoot. Finishes the season going 1-9, 8-12, 2-10, 6-12, 2-11, 5-7, 0-7. He never fully embraced his role on this team, shoots 41% from the floor and 35% from three on the season, both numbers down from last year. He also took 130 fewer shots and played 200 fewer minutes. Every statistical category was worse than his freshman year (turnovers up, assits, ft%, rebounding, scoring, all down)

Haws- TJ took over the full time point guard duties halfway through the first game against the Zags. He scored 29 in that game as the lone bright spot. He scored double figures in 9 of the last 10 games while shooting 41% from three. TJ needs to run the point on this team, but able to hid that open three off the Mika kick out. He has that ability, he has needs to pick his spots on when he breaks down the defense. He forces to many shots and can be out of control. The wrap around and behind the head pass are cool once. But lets put that to bed, especially when you try throwing it to Corbin. Who if he does catch it, won't do anything with it anyways.

Mika- The offense needs to continue to flow through Mika. He averaged 20 and 9 as the focal point of the offense, he faced constant double teams, and had every thing imaginable thrown at him. I wish his shooting percentage were a big higher for a big, but 52.6% is respectable considering the difficulty of his shots. The only problem with Mika is that he needs to recognize where the double team is coming from and kick it out more for the open shot. With that being said, if we are not knocking down those shots the defense just collapses. St. Marys had 5 guys with a foot in the paint daring BYU to shoot the three.

YO- He is not going to be the focal point of the offense until Mika leaves if ever. However he can easily average 12 and 10 just off hustle plays and timely cuts when other teams monster Mika. He needs to watch tape of Johnathan Williams, he didn't have a single play ran for him all year and finished with 10 per game. Yo is more skilled offensively so his ceiling his higher. Williams shot 41% his last year at Mizzou as the primary big. This year with the Zags he shot 60% playing off Karnowski. Yo can do the same thing playing off Mika.

Bryant- When healthy he looked like the dynamic scorer we all thought he could be. He is still out of control at times, and he needs to pick and choose his spots. I would like to see him post up smaller guards more often, shoot the three more consistently, and play more in control. He is a great 2nd/3rd option on this team playing off of TJ.

If these guys can embrace their roles and not all want to dominate the shots and the ball. They have potential to be a great team. Tim Lacomb said they are recruiting heavily internationally right now to add some depth.

I read a lot of idiots who think they know a great deal of what they are talking about breaking down the BYU hoops team. These dumbasses opine for Heath Schroyer or Dave Rice as the savior of all our problems. They know a guy who knows a player who has told them Terry Nashif is not respected. They know the team never practices defense. They want Payton Dastrup to be played more because he was highly recruited and is the future. They want Nick Emery benched because he sucks and playing the less touted back ups would teach him a lesson. Mostly our fanbase is like every other fanbase , save those of the Service Academies, and is saturated with string pulling pussies who like to whine and genuinely think they know why BYU isn't meeting their expectations. Then we have K-Dog who is close to the program and shares a connection with the coaching staff so he might even be partially blinded to how poorly we have played this year.

Then I go back to Dave Rose getting choked up on national TV after BYU beat Gonzaga in the 2nd round in 2011 to get to the Sweet 16 and I think of the asshats wanting him to move on and the total lack of loyalty just makes my blood curl. I also realize a great deal of his success the first half of his tenure at BYU was relatively injury free and "blessed" with an abundance of key LDS players who did not serve missions. The second 6 years or so was not so lucky. So overall I think this team had a down year, when judged by Dave Rose's accomplishments and not BYU's historical place in the basketball world, and could have done better but I really think things are going to be OK and that next year with some good luck and perhaps a lucky find recruiting to add some depth the BYU could win a game in the dance next season. As I predicted when the Utes hired Krystokoviak, BYU is due for some good luck.

However, I think if one is looking for a decent analysis of what went wrong and what needs to change for next year - ignore the preponderance of the stringpullers and re-read Junkie's comments. I think they are spot on.

[smokymountainrain]

I read a lot of idiots who think they know a great deal of what they are talking about breaking down the BYU hoops team. These dumbasses opine for Heath Schroyer or Dave Rice as the savior of all our problems. They know a guy who knows a player who has told them Terry Nashif is not respected. They know the team never practices defense. They want Payton Dastrup to be played more because he was highly recruited and is the future. They want Nick Emery benched because he sucks and playing the less touted back ups would teach him a lesson. Mostly our fanbase is like every other fanbase , save those of the Service Academies, and is saturated with string pulling pussies who like to whine and genuinely think they know why BYU isn't meeting their expectations. Then we have K-Dog who is close to the program and shares a connection with the coaching staff so he might even be partially blinded to how poorly we have played this year.

Then I go back to Dave Rose getting choked up on national TV after BYU beat Gonzaga in the 2nd round in 2011 to get to the Sweet 16 and I think of the asshats wanting him to move on and the total lack of loyalty just makes my blood curl. I also realize a great deal of his success the first half of his tenure at BYU was relatively injury free and "blessed" with an abundance of key LDS players who did not serve missions. The second 6 years or so was not so lucky. So overall I think this team had a down year, when judged by Dave Rose's accomplishments and not BYU's historical place in the basketball world, and could have done better but I really think things are going to be OK and that next year with some good luck and perhaps a lucky find recruiting to add some depth the BYU could win a game in the dance next season. As I predicted when the Utes hired Krystokoviak, BYU is due for some good luck.

However, I think if one is looking for a decent analysis of what went wrong and what needs to change for next year - ignore the preponderance of the stringpullers and re-read Junkie's comments. I think they are spot on.

[Goatnapper'96]

I WANNA BE AN AIRBORNE RANGER!

[KillerDog]

I read a lot of idiots who think they know a great deal of what they are talking about breaking down the BYU hoops team. These dumbasses opine for Heath Schroyer or Dave Rice as the savior of all our problems. They know a guy who knows a player who has told them Terry Nashif is not respected. They know the team never practices defense. They want Payton Dastrup to be played more because he was highly recruited and is the future. They want Nick Emery benched because he sucks and playing the less touted back ups would teach him a lesson. Mostly our fanbase is like every other fanbase , save those of the Service Academies, and is saturated with string pulling pussies who like to whine and genuinely think they know why BYU isn't meeting their expectations. Then we have K-Dog who is close to the program and shares a connection with the coaching staff so he might even be partially blinded to how poorly we have played this year.

Then I go back to Dave Rose getting choked up on national TV after BYU beat Gonzaga in the 2nd round in 2011 to get to the Sweet 16 and I think of the asshats wanting him to move on and the total lack of loyalty just makes my blood curl. I also realize a great deal of his success the first half of his tenure at BYU was relatively injury free and "blessed" with an abundance of key LDS players who did not serve missions. The second 6 years or so was not so lucky. So overall I think this team had a down year, when judged by Dave Rose's accomplishments and not BYU's historical place in the basketball world, and could have done better but I really think things are going to be OK and that next year with some good luck and perhaps a lucky find recruiting to add some depth the BYU could win a game in the dance next season. As I predicted when the Utes hired Krystokoviak, BYU is due for some good luck.

However, I think if one is looking for a decent analysis of what went wrong and what needs to change for next year - ignore the preponderance of the stringpullers and re-read Junkie's comments. I think they are spot on.

I accept that criticism. I am probably too defensive. It's hard to be critical of kids you have had over for dinner. It's hard to bag on coaches who pick up your three year old and carry her around or give you team gear and text you after wins and losses. I love this program. I do what I can to support them in any way they ask. I've gotten soft in my old age.

[Topper]

I accept that criticism. I am probably too defensive. It's hard to be critical of kids you have had over for dinner. It's hard to bag on coaches who pick up your three year old and carry her around or give you team gear and text you after wins and losses. I love this program. I do what I can to support them in any way they ask. I've gotten soft in my old age.

Most of us appreciate your insights.

[KillerDog]

Most of us appreciate your insights.

Thanks

[Shaka]

Most of us appreciate your insights.

I know I do.


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