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  • #1066
    Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    He's 6'4". I'd say most guys 6'4" aren't great near the basket unless they are fouled. Also, FTR, he's averaging 8 FTs a game this year, so he does a pretty damn good job at getting himself fouled and to the line when he is near the basket.

    I'm not sure what your point is about playing with Jabari, Ennis and Smart, but who wouldn't be better playing with guys like that?
    My point is mainly he is a better player at the distribution end, rather than a player like Ennis or Smart who can carry a team by being the point of distribution. I would feel more comfortable with a reliable and consistent point guard, and then somebody to whom you can dish the ball in the paint, so that you could have him roam the perimeter or mid-range. BYU tries to use him in places which aren't his strength. When he goes inside, he's most likely to be fouled or to be. IOW, BYU tries to use him in more capacities than for which he is well-equipped.

    I thought he was listed at 6'5". (BTW, Charles Barkley was often considered only 6'4", not your point I know).
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    Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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    • #1067
      Originally posted by Topper View Post
      My point is mainly he is a better player at the distribution end, rather than a player like Ennis or Smart who can carry a team by being the point of distribution. I would feel more comfortable with a reliable and consistent point guard, and then somebody to whom you can dish the ball in the paint, so that you could have him roam the perimeter or mid-range. BYU tries to use him in places which aren't his strength. When he goes inside, he's most likely to be fouled or to be. IOW, BYU tries to use him in more capacities than for which he is well-equipped.

      I thought he was listed at 6'5". (BTW, Charles Barkley was often considered only 6'4", not your point I know).
      Guys, what Topper is trying to say is that Haws isn't a top 7 pick in the NBA draft. Let's give Topper some credit, because he's right about that.
      Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

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      • #1068
        Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
        Guys, what Topper is trying to say is that Haws isn't a top 7 pick in the NBA draft. Let's give Topper some credit, because he's right about that.
        lol.

        And if Haws were the #1-ranked player in the nation, the Topper would no doubt be claiming that he isn't as good as previous #1 players.
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        • #1069
          Originally posted by Topper View Post
          My point is mainly he is a better player at the distribution end, rather than a player like Ennis or Smart who can carry a team by being the point of distribution. I would feel more comfortable with a reliable and consistent point guard, and then somebody to whom you can dish the ball in the paint, so that you could have him roam the perimeter or mid-range. BYU tries to use him in places which aren't his strength. When he goes inside, he's most likely to be fouled or to be. IOW, BYU tries to use him in more capacities than for which he is well-equipped.

          I thought he was listed at 6'5". (BTW, Charles Barkley was often considered only 6'4", not your point I know).
          True Haws cant carry a team. 24 of a teams 45 points in the first half is not very good.

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          • #1070
            That was fun to watch that 10 min stretch where Haws just exploded. I have to say though, it's not like I expect McCann to go all Wrubell and scream orgasmically, but both he and Nixon were pretty underwhelmed by the shooting exhibition IMO. We have been spoiled by some fantastic shooters in Provo I guess.
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            • #1071
              Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
              True Haws cant carry a team. 24 of a teams 45 points in the first half is not very good.

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              He is able to carry against UOP, but against Gonzaga? He hasn't fared too well against a team with a good defense.

              Jimmer gave me more confidence in his ability to have a monster game, such as those games against the Aztecs, or against the U, when BYU needed them. For example, in the Portland game, Jimmer would have carried us over the top single-handedly.
              "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

              Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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              • #1072
                Originally posted by Topper View Post
                He is able to carry against UOP, but against Gonzaga? He hasn't fared too well against a team with a good defense.

                Jimmer gave me more confidence in his ability to have a monster game, such as those games against the Aztecs, or against the U, when BYU needed them. For example, in the Portland game, Jimmer would have carried us over the top single-handedly.
                Tyler Haws scored 48 points in the Portland game. That is highest number scored by any D-1 player this season.

                You sir, are an idiot.
                "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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                • #1073
                  Originally posted by Topper View Post
                  He is able to carry against UOP, but against Gonzaga? He hasn't fared too well against a team with a good defense.

                  Jimmer gave me more confidence in his ability to have a monster game, such as those games against the Aztecs, or against the U, when BYU needed them. For example, in the Portland game, Jimmer would have carried us over the top single-handedly.
                  True. Haws isn't the National Player of the Year. Another fine point by Topper.

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                  • #1074
                    Originally posted by Topper View Post
                    He is able to carry against UOP, but against Gonzaga? He hasn't fared too well against a team with a good defense.
                    23 points on 15 shots.
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                    • #1075
                      Guys, what Topper is trying to say is that Haws isn't a top 10 pick in the NBA draft. Let's give Topper some credit, because he's right about that.
                      Prepare to put mustard on those words, for you will soon be consuming them, along with this slice of humble pie that comes direct from the oven of shame set at gas mark “egg on your face”! -- Moss

                      There's three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who's got the same first name as a city; and never go near a lady's got a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, everything else is cream cheese. --Coach Finstock

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                      • #1076
                        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        Tyler Haws scored 48 points in the Portland game. That is highest number scored by any D-1 player this season.

                        You sir, are an idiot.
                        But at the end of the game, where was he?

                        I am an idiot for believing scoring alone isn't sufficient if you don't score at critical times to win the game? Is the only thing necessary to score points that don't contribute to a win?

                        He also played in a triple over-time game. Most college players haven't played in such a long game, and most players don't have a team so incompetent at times.
                        "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                        Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                        • #1077
                          Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                          23 points on 15 shots.
                          Was it last year he scored 1 point against Gonzaga? BYU lost easily against Gonzaga as I remember. (Yes, it was close until Gonzaga pulled away).
                          "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                          Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                          • #1078
                            Originally posted by Topper View Post
                            Was it last year he scored 1 point against Gonzaga? BYU lost easily against Gonzaga as I remember. (Yes, it was close until Gonzaga pulled away).
                            Yes, as a sophomore recently returned from a mission he scored 1 point against Gonzaga. As a junior with a year under his belt, he scored 23 points on 15 shots against a team that has lost 2 times in the last 10 years in their building. If anything, I'm impressed with the improvement and adjustments he made to ensure that wouldn't happen again.

                            But as DH has reminded us, you are correct that Haws isn't a lottery pick. Kudos.
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                            • #1079
                              Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
                              Yes, as a sophomore recently returned from a mission he scored 1 point against Gonzaga. As a junior with a year under his belt, he scored 23 points on 15 shots against a team that has lost 2 times in the last 10 years in their building. If anything, I'm impressed with the improvement and adjustments he made to ensure that wouldn't happen again.

                              But as DH has reminded us, you are correct that Haws isn't a lottery pick. Kudos.
                              As long as we are clear about that. Kudos.
                              "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

                              Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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                              • #1080
                                I think I'm figuring it out. Topper is disappointed in Haws because he has not yet (and probably won't) become the 4th face on the BYU Mt. Rushmore of hoops. No wonder he is so disappointed. Those players only come along ever 25 years or so.

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