Originally posted by The Notorious J.I.C.
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Larry Krystkowiak and the 2011-12 Utah Utes
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Sort of reminds me of the Daniel Dean situation a few years ago...just kind of stopped caring at some point."They're good. They've always been good" - David Shaw.
Well, because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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See Marshall Henderson.Originally posted by Top Ute View PostWere accountability and discipline really missing from the program under Boylen? I think there are mixed signs here. On one side, we have the inconsistent results on the court. Ultimately, the bad losses have to start with the coach (especially when there are several good wins mixed in).
It was much much worse.
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I think Boylen ran a decent ship when it came to disciplining players for "citizenship" issues and keeping guys going off the court.Originally posted by Top Ute View PostI'm not sure any coach could help Marshall. His parents apologized to Jimmy for goodness sakes. Henderson shouldn't even be part of the judgment on Boylen as it pertains to "discipline."
His problems were about discipline on the court."The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."
"They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."
"I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."
-Rick Majerus
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This is always kinda nice to see:
The story says the highest team GPA was in 2008, under Boylen. Jim excelled at getting good academics out of his kids.GREAT GRADES: The Runnin' Utes are hitting the books with great success this season. Their team grade point average of 3.129 this fall was the program's second-highest mark over the past 20 years. Kyle Perkins led 10 players on the Athletics Academic Honor Roll (3.0 GPAs or higher) with a perfect 4.0. David Foster, Jason Washburn and Hines are expected to earn undergraduate degrees a year early and enroll in graduate programs before finishing their playing careers.
BTW, re Marshall Henderson, I don't know of any reason why any of those problems can be laid at Boylen's feet. The young man had issues, which I hope he gets past. He is very talented, from what I am told.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Notice how it is always the guys that never play or who aren't very good with the highest GPA's?Originally posted by LA Ute View PostThis is always kinda nice to see:
The story says the highest team GPA was in 2008, under Boylen. Jim excelled at getting good academics out of his kids.
BTW, re Marshall Henderson, I don't know of any reason why any of those problems can be laid at Boylen's feet. The young man had issues, which I hope he gets past. He is very talented, from what I am told.*Banned*
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I hadn't noticed that. Maybe it's generally true of D1 players? Drew Hansen was an exception, but I haven't paid much attention to individual players' GPAs.Originally posted by cougjunkie View PostNotice how it is always the guys that never play or who aren't very good with the highest GPA's?“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I am sure it is hard to put everything you can in to basketball and in the classroom. The guys that don't see much of a future on the court seem to focus more in the classroom.Originally posted by LA Ute View PostI hadn't noticed that. Maybe it's generally true of D1 players? Drew Hansen was an exception, but I haven't paid much attention to individual players' GPAs.*Banned*
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I agree. That means they're both book-smart and wise.Originally posted by cougjunkie View PostI am sure it is hard to put everything you can in to basketball and in the classroom. The guys that don't see much of a future on the court seem to focus more in the classroom.Last edited by LA Ute; 01-25-2012, 07:03 PM.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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It's been a while since this thread has been updated. Just wanted to see if we were still getting better. I'm sure someone can tell me that's the case. I know it warmed my heart to know end hearing such sentiments ad nauseum earlier this season.
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Looks to me like they regressed against USC and Oregon. For me the USC game was hard to watch. Maybe it was being there in person and watching all those turnovers. I didn't see (or even listen to) the Oregon or Oregon State games.Originally posted by Top Ute View PostIt's been a while since this thread has been updated. Just wanted to see if we were still getting better. I'm sure someone can tell me that's the case. I know it warmed my heart to know end hearing such sentiments ad nauseum earlier this season.
I guess the thing to do now is look for trends. A bad downturn is one thing; a downturn that lasts the rest of season is something else. I do want this season to be over, and soon.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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We didn't regress against Oregon.Originally posted by LA Ute View PostLooks to me like they regressed against USC and Oregon. For me the USC game was hard to watch. Maybe it was being there in person and watching all those turnovers. I didn't see (or even listen to) the Oregon or Oregon State games.
I guess the thing to do now is look for trends. A bad downturn is one thing; a downturn that lasts the rest of season is something else. I do want this season to be over, and soon.
I think these guys struggle on the road and struggle with that second game in three days. I also think most of them have no business at this level.When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.
--Jonathan Swift
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Correct. It looked like they played well against Oregon. Brain cramp on my part. The 23 turnovers against Oregon State sounded pretty bad, though.Originally posted by SeattleUte View PostWe didn't regress against Oregon.
I think these guys struggle on the road and struggle with that second game in three days. I also think most of them have no business at this level.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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