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  • SeattleUte
    Faith crisis consultant
    • Nov 2008
    • 20837

    #136
    The pac 12 isn't going to win any basketball national chapionships this year, but it's insanely competitive. Lots of parity.

    Oregon is very well coached, but hasn't been dominating. Nor does it have any real hotshots. Its leading scorer is a freshman who was a three star and probably drew no interest from, say, UCLA.
    When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

    --Jonathan Swift

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    • Top Ute
      Junior Member
      • May 2010
      • 2194

      #137
      Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
      Ah the go to response from wapiti. You are acting like in 2007 that Dana Altman was coaching at Oregon. I agree if Dana Altman is at Oregon he is an unrealistic candidate. However, in 2007 he wasn't that hot of a commodity as his previous 3 seasons were NCAA, NIT, and NCAA with no trips to the 2nd round.

      Utah is a better job than Creighton. So how in the fuck is wanting Dana Altman such an unrealistic expectation in 2007. He was actually a guy that was talked about frequently, but Hill went after Boylen instead. He was a realistic candidate.
      It wasn't 2007, but in 2005 after Majerus left. Altman wanted a 10-year deal for a three-fold reason -- we were on probation, he would have been replacing a legend and once you got past Bogut and Hawkins, there wasnt any young talent at all at Utah, and he would need some security to ride out the rough year or two that was quite likely to come.

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      • SeattleUte
        Faith crisis consultant
        • Nov 2008
        • 20837

        #138
        Originally posted by Top Ute View Post
        It wasn't 2007, but in 2005 after Majerus left. Altman wanted a 10-year deal for a three-fold reason -- we were on probation, he would have been replacing a legend and once you got past Bogut and Hawkins, there wasnt any young talent at all at Utah, and he would need some security to ride out the rough year or two that was quite likely to come.
        That would have been a great move. Can you imagine what the last seven years would have been like had we staked Dana Altman Bogut, RunDMC, Justin Hawkins, and Marc Jackson.

        But a 10 year contract is just the kind of request that would scare Hill away. He doesn't want egotistical celebrity coaches. I think he feels like he got a belly full of that with Majerus.
        When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

        --Jonathan Swift

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        • LA Ute
          Receiver of Memory
          • Nov 2008
          • 19512

          #139
          Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
          That would have been a great move. Can you imagine what the last seven years would have been like had we staked Dana Altman Bogut, RunDMC, Justin Hawkins, and Marc Jackson.

          But a 10 year contract is just the kind of request that would scare Hill away. He doesn't want egotistical celebrity coaches. I think he feels like he got a belly full of that with Majerus.
          Among today's college coaches, does anyone have a 10-year contract?
          “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
          ― W.H. Auden


          "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
          -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


          "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
          --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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          • SeattleUte
            Faith crisis consultant
            • Nov 2008
            • 20837

            #140
            I'm reminded that this cascade of transfers that has effectively killed our program started back in 2006 with Giacoletti losing Hawkins and Cheney. Both Giacoletti and Boylen were left with reasonable stakes and recruited well enough. I'm totally disgusted with those guys.
            When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

            --Jonathan Swift

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            • SeattleUte
              Faith crisis consultant
              • Nov 2008
              • 20837

              #141
              Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
              Among today's college coaches, does anyone have a 10-year contract?
              Who cares how long it is if the buy out is not back breaking. I bet there's more than one 10 year contract out there.
              When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

              --Jonathan Swift

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              • HuskyFreeNorthwest
                Time to camp
                • Nov 2008
                • 26082

                #142
                Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                That would have been a great move. Can you imagine what the last seven years would have been like had we staked Dana Altman Bogut, RunDMC, Justin Hawkins, and Marc Jackson.

                But a 10 year contract is just the kind of request that would scare Hill away. He doesn't want egotistical celebrity coaches. I think he feels like he got a belly full of that with Majerus.
                Is Altman viewed as an egotistical celebrity coach? He isn't here, but perhaps I'm too close to the situation.
                Get confident, stupid
                -landpoke

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                • LA Ute
                  Receiver of Memory
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19512

                  #143
                  Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                  Who cares how long it is if the buy out is not back breaking. I bet there's more than one 10 year contract out there.
                  I am just wondering -- if the apocryphal story about Altman demanding a 10-year contract is true, and 10-years contracts are relatively unheard of, then I don't think a demand for one in 2008 from a Creighton coach with a decent but not world-beating resume (or whenever it was) can really be taken too seriously.
                  “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                  ― W.H. Auden


                  "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                  -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                  "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                  --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                  • MartyFunkhouser
                    Disciple of RNGesus
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 18699

                    #144
                    Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                    I am just wondering -- if the apocryphal story about Altman demanding a 10-year contract is true, and 10-years contracts are relatively unheard of, then I don't think a demand for one in 2008 from a Creighton coach with a decent but not world-beating resume (or whenever it was) can really be taken too seriously.
                    We gave a 7-year contract to Ray Giacoletti. If we ended up passing on Altman over 3 damn years for Ray Ray, it is just more evidence that Hill needs to go before he has the opportunity to hire any more coaches at the University of Utah.
                    As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                    --Kendrick Lamar

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                    • LA Ute
                      Receiver of Memory
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 19512

                      #145
                      Originally posted by mpfunk View Post
                      We gave a 7-year contract to Ray Giacoletti. If we ended up passing on Altman over 3 damn years for Ray Ray, it is just more evidence that Hill needs to go before he has the opportunity to hire any more coaches at the University of Utah.
                      I was just wondering if that's really true about Altman. There's a lot of folklore surrounding coaching hires and candidates at Utah.
                      “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                      ― W.H. Auden


                      "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                      -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                      "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                      --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                      • HuskyFreeNorthwest
                        Time to camp
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 26082

                        #146
                        Originally posted by LA Ute View Post
                        I was just wondering if that's really true about Altman. There's a lot of folklore surrounding coaching hires and candidates at Utah.
                        I'll ask him at Oregon Club next week if I go. It would be apropos with Utah on the schedule next week.
                        Get confident, stupid
                        -landpoke

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                        • MartyFunkhouser
                          Disciple of RNGesus
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 18699

                          #147
                          Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                          I'll ask him at Oregon Club next week if I go. It would be apropos with Utah on the schedule next week.
                          Can you also ask him to please take it easy on Utah? At the very least, let him know that a person on the internet that has had lunch with you a few times and has chosen the Ducks are his secondary team would like him to take it easy on Utah.
                          As I lead this army, make room for mistakes and depression
                          --Kendrick Lamar

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                          • LA Ute
                            Receiver of Memory
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19512

                            #148
                            Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                            I'll ask him at Oregon Club next week if I go. It would be apropos with Utah on the schedule next week.
                            Ask him how he feels about the forest painted on the floor too.

                            Seriously, it would be terribly surprising if he asked for such a contract, now that I think about it.
                            “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                            ― W.H. Auden


                            "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                            -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                            "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                            --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                            • HuskyFreeNorthwest
                              Time to camp
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 26082

                              #149
                              Nice win against the rival Utes! Colorado has taken a nose dive, they were ranked to start the year right?
                              Get confident, stupid
                              -landpoke

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                              • New Mexican Disaster
                                Suomalainen
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 4549

                                #150
                                Originally posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
                                Nice win against the rival Utes! Colorado has taken a nose dive, they were ranked to start the year right?
                                This loss might put them on the bubble. When rivals play you throw the records out. I think I might be the first person to ever say that.

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