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[Goatnapper'96]

If you were Al, how would you have advised your son? BYU simply doesn't have the same weight as Duke. We created a Wooden Award winner that is now playing in China. Duke has had second team players that are currently playing in the NBA.

Depends on goals. If you want to win a national championship, compete at the highest level and get more exposure Duke offers greater opportunities than the BYU. If it is just about his individual development to be an NBA player that can and will happen anywhere and everywhere.

I won't knock his decision to play at Duke, but I would prefer he not try to make an argument that this is, at its core, about the Glory of God.

[imanihonjin]

Dead serious.

Sorry man, that isn't healthy. He is a kid. His dad is one thing, but to wish that on an 18 year old kid is really awful.

[smokymountainrain]

I'm rooting for Frank Jackson just as I root for most HS All-Americans to do well. He's a great player, he's a LDS kid from Utah and I don't have any reason to dislike him.

[byu71]

I hope 99% of young people succeed at what they choose to do. That would be best for all of us.

Since I think the churches position is every worthy male should serve a mission, I think it unwise for some to declare openly they are the exception. We can figure it out for ourselves.

Also, if we are still serious about keeping the Sabbath Holy, perhaps a statement that every potential college athlete who is LDS and gets an offer to BYU should strongly consider going to BYU since they can keep the Sabbath Holy at BYU.

[Non Sequitur]

If Jimmer had gone to Duke, he still wouldn't be playing in the NBA, and he also wouldn't have won the Wooden award and be a household name. Looks like he made a good decision.

Here are the colleges of the All NBA first three team players last year:

Davidson
None
UCLA
San Diego St.
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Michigan St
Kentucky
Wake Forest
Weber St
Fresno St
Texas
UConn
Washington St
Villanova

Weber St, Davidson, SDSU, and Washington St all managed to be represented. And it's not like this is unusual. Bird went to Indiana St, Stockton went to Gonzaga (at a time when they had never made the tournament), Malone went to La Tech, David Robinson went to Navy, Pippen went to Central Arkansas, Nash went to Santa Clara, etc., etc.

Duke puts more players in the NBA than BYU because in a normal year their #8 recruit is ranked higher than BYU's #1 recruit, not because they have a magical ability to turn their players into NBA players. If anything you could argue that Duke players vastly under perform in the NBA, so top recruits should avoid them.

You don't know whether he'd be playing in the NBA. Maybe he would have been forced to learn about defense. Jimmer isn't in the NBA because he's undisciplined. He never had to compete for his position. He never had to play defense. He never had to play without the ball. He was allowed to thrive as a one dimensional gunner.

[old_gregg]

You don't know whether he'd be playing in the NBA. Maybe he would have been forced to learn about defense. Jimmer isn't in the NBA because he's undisciplined. He never had to compete for his position. He never had to play defense. He never had to play without the ball. He was allowed to thrive as a one dimensional gunner.

you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Surfah]

Sorry man, that isn't healthy. He is a kid. His dad is one thing, but to wish that on an 18 year old kid is really awful.

Eff you too.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This discussion is funny. Now we are supposed to root for HS all-americans (I don't recall getting that memo)? And all LDS kids from Utah, no matter where they choose to play?

Goatnapper is right. There are plenty of reasons to choose Duke, but please don't claim there is any religious high ground in doing so. If Frank wants to pretend he can do more good playing basketball than going on a mission, he should have stayed with his original commitment and helped the Lone Peak trio get BYU to the Final Four, which would have 1000x bigger positive impact for the church than some dumb ESPN article.

[byu71]

This discussion is funny. Now we are supposed to root for HS all-americans (I don't recall getting that memo)? And all LDS kids from Utah, no matter where they choose to play?

Goatnapper is right. There are plenty of reasons to choose Duke, but please don't claim there is any religious high ground in doing so. If Frank wants to pretend he can do more good playing basketball than going on a mission, he should have stayed with his original commitment and helped the Lone Peak trio get BYU to the Final Four, which would have 1000x bigger positive impact for the church than some dumb ESPN article.

Agreed. It is such a rare occasion I felt the need to express it.

[Non Sequitur]

Frank is forgoing what could be one of the most spiritually enriching experiences of his personal mortal life for the sake of his personal ambition, certainly a tough decision for a kid with Frank's God given skills, and uses mormon corporate/marketing culture to defend it and an apostate, who regularly rails against said culture, holds it up because he wants to be out of step/march to the tune of a different drummer on a BYU sports message board.

Frank is being a mormon wanker and taking himself too serious if he thinks Jesus would prefer him on the front page of ESPN rather than helping some poor indigenous soul come unto Christ. I doubt knocking on "doors," or whatever sorry excuse for a barrier to protect a threshold exists in Ecuador or the Ivory Coast, isnearly as glamorous or pays as well but it will do the part about Frank that I believe Jesus cares about most more good. But in some ways Frank's acceptance of his "mission call" despite how much it hurts him to tear himself away from knocking on doors in Japan, is a product of the mormon culture when folks within in had to find the moral highground to explain Danny Ainge, Steve Young and the Jimmer.

Honesty is always the best policy.

You're normally not so touchy.

I won't knock his decision to play at Duke, but I would prefer he not try to make an argument that this is, at its core, about the Glory of God.

Does anyone really go on a mission for the Glory of God? Maybe it was different for you, but me and my buddies went on missions because we were 19 and that's what you do when you're 19. God's glory was never in jeopardy before I decided to spend two years in Ecuador.

[smokymountainrain]

This discussion is funny. Now we are supposed to root for HS all-americans (I don't recall getting that memo)? And all LDS kids from Utah, no matter where they choose to play?

Yes, lebowski, that's exactly right. because I root for them, everybody has to. good call.

[Non Sequitur]

This discussion is funny. Now we are supposed to root for HS all-americans (I don't recall getting that memo)? And all LDS kids from Utah, no matter where they choose to play?

Goatnapper is right. There are plenty of reasons to choose Duke, but please don't claim there is any religious high ground in doing so. If Frank wants to pretend he can do more good playing basketball than going on a mission, he should have stayed with his original commitment and helped the Lone Peak trio get BYU to the Final Four, which would have 1000x bigger positive impact for the church than some dumb ESPN article.

For all you know, Frank prayed about it (which he probably did) and was inspired to go to Duke. Do you doubt that he was counseled by spiritual leaders? It would have been great to have him come to BYU, but it's petty to continue dumping on the guy because he chose the bigger stage.

[San Juan Sun]

Frank is OK by me. I don't care about his mission plans, and while he didn't go to the real BYU, at least in Duke he picked the BYU of the ACC.

[Moliere]

I hope his career ends up like that one LDS guy (can't remember his name) that went to duke, flamed out and ended up several other places before finishing at Utah. He's probably selling real estate somewhere right now.

I also hope Duke goes 0-30 this year.


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[old_gregg]

but let's just for a minute focus on how undisciplined jimmer is