Now that I've pulled back from the edge and thought about this...

[Mr. Crimson]

You know I really never thought I'd see the day that Ute fans would advocate letting a failing coach continue at the helm of a once proud program (not that fans really have any say in the matter), I really didn't. Funk, the expectations might be unrealistic but suggesting that the man be given any more time at this point, even for the sake of "now he has no excuses" shouldn't be the expectation at the U. It is and can be again a very good program and hoping that Boylen somehow turns this around might be wishful thinking of the worst kind IMO.

The stupidest possible thing we could do would be to change coaches, especially one year off of a conference title. Two coaches in six years would be suicide and the end of Utah hoops for a long time.

Besides, how is one bad year failing. His first year he took a team that won 11 games and won 18 with them. Then he took that group and won a conference title. Now we struggle one year and that is failing. Come on.

[SeattleUte]

funk is being ironic, like Lars Von Trier.

[Mr. Crimson]

Because Connor is a Utah man and it is a huge step up. Daniels is also a Utah man and he has failed at being a head coach once before, so if he wants another shot he has to take an iffy situation. A new coach would also get more than 3 years to fix things. The only reason that Boylen getting fired after 3 years is even an option is because he has basically burned the thing to the ground at the end of his 3rd year with bad recruiting and players leaving.

You sound like those Alabama fans who spent years hiring Bama men and failing before they went out and got a good coach.

[Blueintheface]

The stupidest possible thing we could do would be to change coaches, especially one year off of a conference title. Two coaches in six years would be suicide and the end of Utah hoops for a long time.

Besides, how is one bad year failing. His first year he took a team that won 11 games and won 18 with them. Then he took that group and won a conference title. Now we struggle one year and that is failing. Come on.

Right, because the gutting going on right now has no relevance to the suggestion that things are going south in big way very quickly. I realize that finishing 1st last year has to play a part in the decision but ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the room is not going to improve the team's chances over the next 2-3 seasons. Do you really want to suggest that hiring a new coach to go along with the 8 new players isn't the right decision, especially if you can land a "Utah" guy who possibly (conditional adverb) would recruit better?

[Mr. Crimson]

Right, because the gutting going on right now has no relevance to the suggestion that things are going south in big way very quickly. I realize that finishing 1st last year has to play a part in the decision but ignoring the 800 lb gorilla in the room is not going to improve the team's chances over the next 2-3 seasons. Do you really want to suggest that hiring a new coach to go along with the 8 new players isn't the right decision, especially if you can land a "Utah" guy who possibly (conditional adverb) would recruit better?

Majerus early in his tenure lost a similar amount of players in one season. So you would have fired him as well or talked about an 800 lb gorilla? Second what is NAIA coach Tommy Connor going to bring that Jim Boylen doesn't. What recruit do we get with Connor that Boylen didn't? Wilcox, maybe?

As for gutting, we lost two guys who didn't play and a guy most people wanted gone in Brown. The Henderson thing is a weird issue and not on Boylen, but with Hines returning, the damage just isn't what you're saying it is.

[DrumNFeather]

Majerus early in his tenure lost a similar amount of players in one season. So you would have fired him as well or talked about an 800 lb gorilla? Second what is NAIA coach Tommy Connor going to bring that Jim Boylen doesn't. What recruit do we get with Connor that Boylen didn't? Wilcox, maybe?

As for gutting, we lost two guys who didn't play and a guy most people wanted gone in Brown. The Henderson thing is a weird issue and not on Boylen, but with Hines returning, the damage just isn't what you're saying it is.

...and it sounds like we would at least have a chance to land the SG that wants to transfer from Nebraska no? That hasn't been mentioned on any boards really, but if we somehow got him in there and Wilcox, then you could start to see the 13-scholarship team take shape a little better.

[Blueintheface]

Majerus early in his tenure lost a similar amount of players in one season. So you would have fired him as well or talked about an 800 lb gorilla? Second what is NAIA coach Tommy Connor going to bring that Jim Boylen doesn't. What recruit do we get with Connor that Boylen didn't? Wilcox, maybe?

As for gutting, we lost two guys who didn't play and a guy most people wanted gone in Brown. The Henderson thing is a weird issue and not on Boylen, but with Hines returning, the damage just isn't what you're saying it is.

The Majerus argument holds no water at all and you know it. Majerus was winning and if players don't want to be part of a perennial tournament team then good riddance to them. And that's not just the fans take on the situation.

I do think that if a few decent players were added this off season that the damage might be mitigated but again I think it may be wishful thinking. Rogers very quickly gave up on the Utes despite having the best chance to play right away so what exactly makes you think that Utah is the destination for those still making up their minds?

[DrumNFeather]

The Majerus argument holds no water at all and you know it. Majerus was winning and if players don't want to be part of a perennial tournament team then good riddance to them. And that's not just the fans take on the situation.

I do think that if a few decent players were added this off season that the damage might be mitigated but again I think it may be wishful thinking. Rogers very quickly gave up on the Utes despite having the best chance to play right away so what exactly makes you think that Utah is the destination for those still making up their minds?

The Rogers decision to cut Utah is a little puzzling at this point. Surprising to me that he wouldn't at least take a visit and see what it is all about. Like you said, he could play right away at Utah. Not sure if that is the case at BYU or USU.

[Flattop]

I do think that if a few decent players were added this off season that the damage might be mitigated but again I think it may be wishful thinking. Rogers very quickly gave up on the Utes despite having the best chance to play right away so what exactly makes you think that Utah is the destination for those still making up their minds?

Please explain how a panic firing of a coach who won a conference title just one year ago changes that.

[Blueintheface]

Please explain how a panic firing of a coach who won a conference title just one year ago changes that.

I can't, I'm just speculating that it couldn't get worse. I will concede though that I have no way of knowing that firing Boylen would help but you would have to concede that last year's title begins to look less and less relevant to the current situation. Wouldn't you agree? If his players are rejecting him and other potential recruits are choosing inferior programs wouldn't that evidence take precedence over a title from last year?

[DrumNFeather]

Ty Corbin's kid is an interesting prospect from West high school for 2011. He's a PG.

There is also a Center from the College of Eastern Utah that the Utes might be able to nab that doesn't appear to have comitted anywhere. His name is Vander Joaquim.

[UteStar]

Ty Corbin's kid is an interesting prospect from West high school for 2011. He's a PG.

There is also a Center from the College of Eastern Utah that the Utes might be able to nab that doesn't appear to have comitted anywhere. His name is Vander Joaquim.

Corbin is a great kid and a terrific ball player. 2nd best player in the state behind Collinsworth this past year. I sure hope that Boylen is pounding on his door because that kid is going to rule 5A basketball next year...though he pretty much did this year as well.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Corbin is a great kid and a terrific ball player. 2nd best player in the state behind Collinsworth this past year. I sure hope that Boylen is pounding on his door because that kid is going to rule 5A basketball next year...though he pretty much did this year as well.

Forget about it. Jimmer, who will probably be around a second team all-american, will be graduating and Corbin will come into the coveted position and continue with the all-american BYU PG tradition. Corbin, like most athletes, wants to win and Utah isn't the place for that right now.

[Blueintheface]

Forget about it. Jimmer, who will probably be around a second team all-american, will be graduating and Corbin will come into the coveted position and continue with the all-american BYU PG tradition. Corbin, like most athletes, wants to win and Utah isn't the place for that right now.

Does Tyrone have any relationships up on the Hill that you or anyone here knows of? What about in Provo?

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Does Tyrone have any relationships up on the Hill that you or anyone here knows of? What about in Provo?

I'm not sure about any relationship with either school. But BYU's aggressive fast break mentality would be attractive to Corbin as opposed to whatever mentality Utah has which will probably lead to about 10 wins a year for the foreseeable future. BYU can land non-lds Utah recruits.