Dr. Jekyl or Mr. Hyde

[myboynoah]

DE CLASSE.

Next time BYU doinks as it inevitably will this BASKETBALL season I'll be sure to come here and troll the minute the buzzer sounds.

Is that a warning, or just a reminder?

[cougjunkie]

DE CLASSE.

Next time BYU doinks as it inevitably will this BASKETBALL season I'll be sure to come here and troll the minute the buzzer sounds.

SU I respect your sports knowledge but you need to take off the Ute goggles for a few minutes. Some of the stuff I have read about how good some of these players are is sickening. I am not just baseing this on the SDSU game either. Throughout the season their are several players on this team not worthy of D-1 scholarships.

Washburn is equivalent to James Anderson on BYU, very similar builds and players, Anderson never gets off the bench while Washburn is relied on heavily for the Utes. Not a good sign.

There are 12 Marshall Hendersons playing at Snow College right now and none of them will end up with D-1 Schollies. He is the BYU equivalent to a Terry Nashif.

Kim Tillie and Drca suck, enough said.

Watkins is an undersized big man that is a hustle player and gets his points on rebounds and putbacks, however Utah tries to run their offense through him which is not good.

Carlon Brown is a freak athlete that has never learned to shoot. He reminds me of a kid that used to play for Michigan named Brent Petway, one of the best dunkers I have ever seen. But when you watch him in warmups all he did was work on his dunks and rumor has it thats all he did at practice too. Never developed any other game, Brown is the same way.

Utah is in trouble and I do not see many young guys on the horizon to help, unless they really develop in a hurry.

[CardiacCoug]

DE CLASSE.

Next time BYU doinks as it inevitably will this BASKETBALL season I'll be sure to come here and troll the minute the buzzer sounds.

Feel free. I won't be sensitive about it and I'm not letting myself expect anything more than BYU going out in the first round of the NCAA Tourney anyway. We're a football school.

Utah played terribly tonight in front of a lot of empty seats. Their offense was pathetic. I hope you guys can turn it around.

[SeattleUte]

SU I respect your sports knowledge but you need to take off the Ute goggles for a few minutes. Some of the stuff I have read about how good some of these players are is sickening. I am not just baseing this on the SDSU game either. Throughout the season their are several players on this team not worthy of D-1 scholarships.

Washburn is equivalent to James Anderson on BYU, very similar builds and players, Anderson never gets off the bench while Washburn is relied on heavily for the Utes. Not a good sign.

There are 12 Marshall Hendersons playing at Snow College right now and none of them will end up with D-1 Schollies. He is the BYU equivalent to a Terry Nashif.

Kim Tillie and Drca suck, enough said.

Watkins is an undersized big man that is a hustle player and gets his points on rebounds and putbacks, however Utah tries to run their offense through him which is not good.

Carlon Brown is a freak athlete that has never learned to shoot. He reminds me of a kid that used to play for Michigan named Brent Petway, one of the best dunkers I have ever seen. But when you watch him in warmups all he did was work on his dunks and rumor has it thats all he did at practice too. Never developed any other game, Brown is the same way.

Utah is in trouble and I do not see many young guys on the horizon to help, unless they really develop in a hurry.

I'm not worried. They are not on a 1-26 trajectory. They have indeed been inconsistent but they have some decent or quality wins. They also have an almost completely new starting line up and are cycling through the last of these damned third-tier foreigners that Giacoletti recrutited.

I believe Washburn (fr.), Foster (soph; just off mission), Glover (fr.), and Henderson (fr.) are a good nucleus to build a future around. They are a better nucleus than we have seen for some time except for a couple of unusually talented (foreign) big men who played in different years.. Your comment about Henderson cost you a lot of credibility.

The Utes are one year from having won the MWC essentially outright.

[SeattleUte]

Feel free. I won't be sensitive about it and I'm not letting myself expect anything more than BYU going out in the first round of the NCAA Tourney anyway. We're a football school.

Utah played terribly tonight in front of a lot of empty seats. Their offense was pathetic. I hope you guys can turn it around.

When they lose this many home games they should expect empty seats. What do they expect?

[Jarid in Cedar]

The thing that I see as a real problem on offense is that we have very poor spacing. Little room to pass, drivers that find one of our players in their lane(thus bring his defender to a place where one guy can guard 2), and ultimately leads to alot of guys standing around.

I can't get any sense of what our offense is trying to accomplish.

Are we trying to spread the floor and let someone try to penetrate? Then spread out the damn floor.

Are we trying to feed the post and trying to draw and kick? then the perimeter guys need to maintain spacing so that the help defender has to move a long way to get to the post.

Offensive identity is lacking.

Last years team at least had an identity offensively. Feed to post to Nevil, perimeter players keep spacing so that the help has to cover more distance, giving the kickback a chance to swing the ball the extra pass to find the guy standing by himself.

I think the thing that I see is either guys who don't work well together because of trust or ego problems, or guys who lack in B-ball IQ.

I have some hope that when Drca leaves that we will find an adequate PG that does not jump everytime he wants to pass, that Brown will realize that you don't have to shoot everytime you are within 8 feet, that Foster will learn to get wide and learn one damn post move.

That is all......ok not true.

[cougjunkie]

I'm not worried. They are not on a 1-26 trajectory. They have indeed been inconsistent but they have some decent or quality wins. They also have an almost completely new starting line up and are cycling through the last of these damned third-tier foreigners that Giacoletti recrutited.

I believe Washburn (fr.), Foster (soph; just off mission), Glover (fr.), and Henderson (fr.) are a good nucleus to build a future around. They are a better nucleus than we have seen for some time except for a couple of unusually talented (foreign) big men who played in different years.. Your comment about Henderson cost you a lot of credibility.

The Utes are one year from having won the MWC essentially outright.

Please tell me what is great about a 6'0 160 pound guard that does not have the ball handling skills to run the point, can not create his own shot, and is shooting a paltry 33% from the floor and after tonights game is less than 30%from behind the arc below 70% from the foul line?

I have been a BYU fan for a long time these kids used to come through the program every year. Henderson has taken 121 threes this year by comparison the biggest gunner in D-1 hoops Johnathan Tavernari has taken 86 and is shooting a higher percentage.

Sorry but he has not shown anything to get me excited if I were a ute fan.

[Jeff Lebowski]

The Utes are one year from having won the MWC essentially outright.

[cougjunkie]

Leb dont worry, SU is in love with a kid that would have a hard time finding minutes on that girls AAU team you coach.

[SeattleUte]

You know what I mean. They tied for the title and then won the round robin playoff. In the old days, with the 32 team field, that's what they would have done to see who got the lone NCAA bid.

[SeattleUte]

The thing that I see as a real problem on offense is that we have very poor spacing. Little room to pass, drivers that find one of our players in their lane(thus bring his defender to a place where one guy can guard 2), and ultimately leads to alot of guys standing around.

I can't get any sense of what our offense is trying to accomplish.

Are we trying to spread the floor and let someone try to penetrate? Then spread out the damn floor.

Are we trying to feed the post and trying to draw and kick? then the perimeter guys need to maintain spacing so that the help defender has to move a long way to get to the post.

Offensive identity is lacking.

Last years team at least had an identity offensively. Feed to post to Nevil, perimeter players keep spacing so that the help has to cover more distance, giving the kickback a chance to swing the ball the extra pass to find the guy standing by himself.

I think the thing that I see is either guys who don't work well together because of trust or ego problems, or guys who lack in B-ball IQ.

I have some hope that when Drca leaves that we will find an adequate PG that does not jump everytime he wants to pass, that Brown will realize that you don't have to shoot everytime you are within 8 feet, that Foster will learn to get wide and learn one damn post move.

That is all......ok not true.

We need a good PG then all will be well.

[Goatnapper'96]

Please tell me what is great about a 6'0 160 pound guard that does not have the ball handling skills to run the point, can not create his own shot, and is shooting a paltry 33% from the floor and after tonights game is less than 30%from behind the arc below 70% from the foul line?

I have been a BYU fan for a long time these kids used to come through the program every year. Henderson has taken 121 threes this year by comparison the biggest gunner in D-1 hoops Johnathan Tavernari has taken 86 and is shooting a higher percentage.

Sorry but he has not shown anything to get me excited if I were a ute fan.

He reminds me of Mike Rose. He will have some games where he goes off like a roman candle and other games where he is useless. If Utah is going to move forward as a program to be what it can be, a kid like Henderson should be a role player who comes off the bench as an outside specialist/offensive sparkplug.

I think he is a coach's son so he is fundamentally beyond his years and well coached. But not real likely to make huge improvements because he is already skilled and his ceiling wrt athleticism is something us BYU fans are intimately familiar. Hence he gets minutes that should shift to Cyphers and G-luva once their fundamentals and skill sets catch up to their natural ability.

[Goatnapper'96]

We need a good PG then all will be well.

All would be better.....than what it would be without a PG, that much is true! Just being honest, SORRY!

The bad part is you have two kids on scholarship in the program and neither of them looks to be he. Once again, just being honest...SORRY!

Other than not having any bigs who are reliable scorers and being a team with only one legitimate outside shooting threat, who happens to be your least capable player of creating his own shot but makes great facial gestures, you have a lot going for you, which is nische!

The honest truth is I haven't watched enough of Utah to really make a judgement. I think Boylen is a good dude and decent coach. I think the recruits are high end enough that you guys are likely to be competing next year with UNM, UNLV and SDSU for 2nd place!

[Mormon Red Death]

Ok I figured out this Utah team. They are a .500 squad that can beat anybody if someone gets hot. They play good defense and rebound ok but they don't have a crunch time scorer. I thought Carlon Brown could make the B Markson leap but it just isnt going to happen. T

[DrumNFeather]

Ok I figured out this Utah team. They are a .500 squad that can beat anybody if someone gets hot. They play good defense and rebound ok but they don't have a crunch time scorer. I thought Carlon Brown could make the B Markson leap but it just isnt going to happen. T

In the process of balancing out the recruiting years, it looks like there will be a few casualties, and Carlon Brown is one of them. I think he has made some strides this year but he's not a "put the team on your back for a win" type guy...and when some of these young guys disappear, they completely disappear.

It'll be interesting to see if the administration and the fans give Boylen enough time to try and right the ship. I tend to think the administration will.